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I'm not going to lie, this job is a nightmare but if you follow the correct order you will get there in the end.
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You will need to use bolts or " rivet bolts" I'm making them using the lathe
You will need to use bolts or " rivet bolts" I'm making them using the lathe
Start by fixing under the front section of the hinge, then under the rear, then fold over the rear and fix using rivet bolts and a metal strip over the front section, this covers the rear section fixings, now if this was real it would be water tight!
Start by fixing under the front section of the hinge, then under the rear, then fold over the rear and fix using rivet bolts and a metal strip over the front section, this covers the rear section fixings, now if this was real it would be water tight!
That was not easy, the ends of the canvas were sometimes left long but we may trim back as required
That was not easy, the ends of the canvas were sometimes left long but we may trim back as required
More tin bashing required
More tin bashing required
I'm not messing around removing the old hinges
I'm not messing around removing the old hinges
Grotty rear but substantial I suppose
Grotty rear but substantial I suppose
The 2nd bin can sit in meths all weekend to remove The paint
The 2nd bin can sit in meths all weekend to remove The paint
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Note the bin standoff gap in these three photos
Note the bin standoff gap in these three photos
We are not happy with the single lock so the boss will order 3 more from Armortek.
We are not happy with the single lock so the boss will order 3 more from Armortek.
Our compromise , the rivet nuts on the inside but I shall reduce them down as much as I dare
Our compromise , the rivet nuts on the inside but I shall reduce them down as much as I dare
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I have not noticed anyone on the forum using a sand/soda/bead blasting cabinet for paint removal - is there a reason for this? Just curious, as I've used a sandblaster for years and it is very efficient provided you regularly filter the medium.

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I know of a couple that have had their parts blasted by the professionals Michael but it can be expensive , I would normally use a wire wheel but this model has been painted using "graffiti paint" what ever that is, well I know what it is and that's tuff!
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Does anyone out there know the Armortek bin catch part numbers?
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In the book it's called a catch plate EH0671 on the hull bins. Not sure if the turret bins on the model came with latches or locking hasps.
Or a similar option may have come from Steve Winstone.
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Although the build manual shows EH0671 for the hull tool boxes, in the end - to the best of my knowledge - Armortek didn’t supply any catches:
Martin Taylor wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:49 pm
 Having only just realised that the kit does not include the catches for the tool boxes ( Gill advises that they could not source them)has anyone found a supplier for them? I have seen what Paul has achieved but that is way beyond my capabilities!!
Having said that, I’m surprised I’ve not found more references to this issue on the forum. It’s also long enough ago that I honestly don’t recall for myself what happened, nor do I have any emails from back then. Paul/Robin Margle made their own catches, myself and many others bought from Steve Winstone.

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Thanks for the help guys , nothing very exciting I'm afraid just more of the rear small bin work. It fought me all afternoon!
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All the paint now removed
All the paint now removed
There's just no room for the fixings on the bin side, this is due to the top angle and radius
There's just no room for the fixings on the bin side, this is due to the top angle and radius
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New steel lid cut out
New steel lid cut out
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Tin work drop sides bent by hand again. I'm now happy with the fit although it's been a complete bugger, the tin work is designed for a 12mm hinge but to keep it scale we have to use a 9mm and that's where the problems start.
Tin work drop sides bent by hand again. I'm now happy with the fit although it's been a complete bugger, the tin work is designed for a 12mm hinge but to keep it scale we have to use a 9mm and that's where the problems start.
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A thin layer of primer to stop any over night corrosion
A thin layer of primer to stop any over night corrosion
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More to the rear bin
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Squaring off the internal braces
Squaring off the internal braces
The winky pot, we are going to need to either find or make the older style " bee hive" dome for this as the flat top section is not correct for the period. The dimensions are 18.5 OD, 15 ID, 25 high and tapering to 17 at the flat top, I have seen period " bee hive" panel lamps, anyone have a spare?
The winky pot, we are going to need to either find or make the older style " bee hive" dome for this as the flat top section is not correct for the period. The dimensions are 18.5 OD, 15 ID, 25 high and tapering to 17 at the flat top, I have seen period " bee hive" panel lamps, anyone have a spare?
Milling the mitres
Milling the mitres
Internal braces again for this bin
Internal braces again for this bin
Card for the gussets
Card for the gussets
I have no idea what this round thing holds
I have no idea what this round thing holds
Forming the roll
Forming the roll
Nearly done
Nearly done
Speaks for its self
Speaks for its self
I suppose there's a lot going on in that small bin
I suppose there's a lot going on in that small bin
The cyno hardening allows me to drill away happily
The cyno hardening allows me to drill away happily
You have to wrap the canvas over the back hinge and fix over the front
You have to wrap the canvas over the back hinge and fix over the front
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Using a pointy thing to locate the covered fixing holes
Using a pointy thing to locate the covered fixing holes
It's home
It's home
A bit of hinge trimming required, take out each of the tiny bolts and form rivet heads on the lathe, make and fix the tarp rings and straps, the tie down/grab handles to the front , fit the new latches, make and fit angle iron underbin supports and the stand off fixings and we are done, oh and the fire extinguishers and apply the top coat, quite a lot still to do!
A bit of hinge trimming required, take out each of the tiny bolts and form rivet heads on the lathe, make and fix the tarp rings and straps, the tie down/grab handles to the front , fit the new latches, make and fit angle iron underbin supports and the stand off fixings and we are done, oh and the fire extinguishers and apply the top coat, quite a lot still to do!
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Now I know it doesn't look like I've done very much but I have at least perfected the tricky welded webbing loops along with the grab handle welded loops.
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A pin drill collet is great for holding the tiny 12 ba bolts
A pin drill collet is great for holding the tiny 12 ba bolts
All the tiny 12ba bolts turned into rivets, well this side anyway.
All the tiny 12ba bolts turned into rivets, well this side anyway.
The loops done the standard way look ok but not good enough
The loops done the standard way look ok but not good enough
I did try the kit type loops but I didn't like the look, you can add milliput either side but it's just not the same
I did try the kit type loops but I didn't like the look, you can add milliput either side but it's just not the same
I now need to cover the pre drilled holes with solder
I now need to cover the pre drilled holes with solder
I looked everywhere for suitable wire for the handles, turns out split pins with their flat section are perfect for the job
I looked everywhere for suitable wire for the handles, turns out split pins with their flat section are perfect for the job
This tool is great for the hard to get at angles
This tool is great for the hard to get at angles
Old Smokey my big soldering iron will be easier than the chefs blow lamp
Old Smokey my big soldering iron will be easier than the chefs blow lamp
Slightly wider grab handles
Slightly wider grab handles
I'm really happy with that look
I'm really happy with that look
Soft soldered and very strong with the nice flat section giving just a bit more surface area for the solder to stick to.
Soft soldered and very strong with the nice flat section giving just a bit more surface area for the solder to stick to.
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Onwards and upwards with the ever so fiddly bins
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The lights go dim when I spark up this soldering iron
The lights go dim when I spark up this soldering iron
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I've now bent up all the handles and the strap anchors for the big bin
I've now bent up all the handles and the strap anchors for the big bin
We all know how to put these together
We all know how to put these together
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I'm happy with that
I'm happy with that
The straps will of course get in the way when it comes to the top coat
The straps will of course get in the way when it comes to the top coat
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I think these mounting bolts need replacing
I think these mounting bolts need replacing
Careful drilling and tapping
Careful drilling and tapping
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Two sets of nuts, the inner to lock the stud and the other to set the stand off gap.
Two sets of nuts, the inner to lock the stud and the other to set the stand off gap.
The correct stand off gap
The correct stand off gap
Getting the nuts started may be a faff
Getting the nuts started may be a faff
How will the bins mounting holes fit over the angled bolts I hear you ask
How will the bins mounting holes fit over the angled bolts I hear you ask
That front bin will fit with a little fiddling
That front bin will fit with a little fiddling
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Bootiful work Mr W! :D
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Almost done for the nr side bins
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I really wanted to get started on the long bin but still have the odd job to do on the small bins
I really wanted to get started on the long bin but still have the odd job to do on the small bins
Long bin reference photo
Long bin reference photo
Bin supports
Bin supports
I don't have any equal angle so I better make some
I don't have any equal angle so I better make some
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Bin support m2 fixings
Bin support m2 fixings
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Equal angle bin supports now bolted in placd
Equal angle bin supports now bolted in placd
Better fit this now or the paint may get scrstched
Better fit this now or the paint may get scrstched
I best not top coat the bin lids just yet until I have soldered the new catches which should be arriving very soon
I best not top coat the bin lids just yet until I have soldered the new catches which should be arriving very soon
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I must remember to fill in the redundant m8 bin fixing holes
I must remember to fill in the redundant m8 bin fixing holes
Now some vehicles did have two fire extinguishers mounted here
Now some vehicles did have two fire extinguishers mounted here
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A very messy, smelly and dusty afternoons work on the large bin.
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Again I'm not taking any prisoners removing the old out of scale hinge
Again I'm not taking any prisoners removing the old out of scale hinge
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Marking out the new steel lid
Marking out the new steel lid
That's better
That's better
Lots to clean up inside and out
Lots to clean up inside and out
More tin bashing
More tin bashing
It's fighting me again
It's fighting me again
Use a straight edge to align the flexible hinge
Use a straight edge to align the flexible hinge
If you take your time and it lines up nicely it will raise and lower without any binding
If you take your time and it lines up nicely it will raise and lower without any binding
I'm happy with the new lid for now, I've left plenty of material overhanging the bin, this can be trimmed later after bending
I'm happy with the new lid for now, I've left plenty of material overhanging the bin, this can be trimmed later after bending
Finding and removing the rusted areas
Finding and removing the rusted areas
A soaking in meths
A soaking in meths
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Paint removal and the steel lid bent up.
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A little heat to help remove paint in the awkward to get to areas
A little heat to help remove paint in the awkward to get to areas
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Using my best rule to scrape away the paint
Using my best rule to scrape away the paint
A new wire wheel removes the stubborn graffiti paint
A new wire wheel removes the stubborn graffiti paint
I call these little wire brushes " Henry Coles"
I call these little wire brushes " Henry Coles"
Red oxide to keep any corrosion away, even the acid on your skin will rust steel, in fact some apprentice engineers have to give it up if they suffer from "acid fingers"
Red oxide to keep any corrosion away, even the acid on your skin will rust steel, in fact some apprentice engineers have to give it up if they suffer from "acid fingers"
I can't really tell people how to tin bash but just have a go, it's only metal.
I can't really tell people how to tin bash but just have a go, it's only metal.
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The lower lid bent edges are ragged and will be trimmed down once I'm happy with the fit
The lower lid bent edges are ragged and will be trimmed down once I'm happy with the fit
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Lots done to the long stowage bin.
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Silver soldering the folded joins
Silver soldering the folded joins
All the joints done
All the joints done
It fits
It fits
I'm using the 100mm slitting disc to gently cut the spare material so I don't distort the folded sides
I'm using the 100mm slitting disc to gently cut the spare material so I don't distort the folded sides
Now that's a ragged edge
Now that's a ragged edge
Marking out this awkward piece
Marking out this awkward piece
Bolting the canvas strap at either end so I can accurately spot drill the many fixing holes
Bolting the canvas strap at either end so I can accurately spot drill the many fixing holes
Lots of 10ba fixing holes to be drilled
Lots of 10ba fixing holes to be drilled
The canvas strap fixing piece all ready and out the way
The canvas strap fixing piece all ready and out the way
Filling the old hinge fixing holes, this will of course need rubbing down
Filling the old hinge fixing holes, this will of course need rubbing down
Red oxide to seal the inner lid , this won't really be affected by the soft soldering heat generated as I fix the strap anchors
Red oxide to seal the inner lid , this won't really be affected by the soft soldering heat generated as I fix the strap anchors
It's nice to get this part out the way
It's nice to get this part out the way
Milliput filler in the old bin fixing holes
Milliput filler in the old bin fixing holes
Marking out the cut out for the turret radius inner bin piece, there are two of these cut outs to do on this long bin.
Marking out the cut out for the turret radius inner bin piece, there are two of these cut outs to do on this long bin.
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