Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Tiger 213 refurbish.

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It's very busy at my tankshop right now, I have 3 commission builds due in early next month, I have 4 Tiger1 on the go one of which is TIger 213.
This was to be a winter project but I need to get it to a good standard and sold to free up bench space so I've been working flat out.
I've installed the new motion pack, batteries, sounds and radio and she's up on the ramps for a total rewire and an overall of the oily bits.
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Setting out the interior.
Setting out the interior.
I love this work, it's a real pleasure.
I love this work, it's a real pleasure.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Cracking on with 213, lots done.
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The gears are like new, probably because grease was applied when it was built.
The gears are like new, probably because grease was applied when it was built.
The finals drives have been topped up with grease.
The finals drives have been topped up with grease.
Each joint has been adjusted and lock tight added. Some gentle heat was needed to remove the fasteners as the old lock tight was holding the grub screws.
Each joint has been adjusted and lock tight added. Some gentle heat was needed to remove the fasteners as the old lock tight was holding the grub screws.
Some colour to the tracks.
Some colour to the tracks.
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You can see the height difference, the first three road wheels are now correct, the rest show just how much the suspension had sagged.
You can see the height difference, the first three road wheels are now correct, the rest show just how much the suspension had sagged.
The suspension now at the correct angle before loading.
The suspension now at the correct angle before loading.
The kit track pulling rope is way to big.
The kit track pulling rope is way to big.
A more scale track pulling rope made and fitted
A more scale track pulling rope made and fitted
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The gubinz tray fabricated from 1mm steel sheet.This will be extended for the speakers and smoke unit.
The gubinz tray fabricated from 1mm steel sheet.This will be extended for the speakers and smoke unit.
Spare track and hanger installed.
Spare track and hanger installed.
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I'm not keen on the hits so they will have to go.
I'm not keen on the hits so they will have to go.
Undamaged exhaust shields that also came with the kit are now fitted. Subtle heat weathering added.
Undamaged exhaust shields that also came with the kit are now fitted. Subtle heat weathering added.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Nice work as always Phil. What angle have you set the suspension at?

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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Hi Simon, a photo should tell all. For a new build I use an angle gauge but go just a little more than the build manual suggests to allow for settling.
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With the suspension arms just below the hull as per the manual, you could go a little more to allow for sagging.<br />This is using your eyeball but check with your years manual for the suggested angle in degrees.
With the suspension arms just below the hull as per the manual, you could go a little more to allow for sagging.
This is using your eyeball but check with your years manual for the suggested angle in degrees.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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What do you put the ‘settling’ down too: torsion bars loosing some spring or moving against the retaining screws? I ask as I set mine to about 34 degs and reckon it’s riding approx 20mm too high, but that’s with zero run time (fully loaded).

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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Maybe a little to high, the grub screws will settle at both ends of the torsion bar along with the swing arm thread. I would run yours for a bit and suck it and see, the weight of the the batteries is a factor to, also the older releases were heavier than the later models.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Hi Phil, one of your photo intrigues me:
Looks no fastener holes yet
Looks no fastener holes yet
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The caption of this photo said : " The gubinz tray fabricated from 1mm steel sheet. This will be extended for the speakers and smoke unit."

Are you going to drill holes for fasteners? And extend it for speakers and smoke unit? I like to see the extended part.

I have the 2007 genuine tray (See next photo), which is 40cm long, included 3 pairs of pre-drill fastener holes.
2007 kit part. 2mm steel. quite heavy.
2007 kit part. 2mm steel. quite heavy.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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There you go Chang, just an extension.
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I'm boring out a KT smoker and adding a big fan to improve the smoke signature. One of Adrian's smoke control units is a must these days.
I'm boring out a KT smoker and adding a big fan to improve the smoke signature. One of Adrian's smoke control units is a must these days.
Another few hours to wire the lights and then I can tidy up the cable runs so they look nice and straight.
Another few hours to wire the lights and then I can tidy up the cable runs so they look nice and straight.
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How Tiger 213 ended its days. This photo taken after the Ardennes offensive late 1944.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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What do you guys prefer, the smoke stack with the deflector or the one without? No high pressure smoker this time just a bored out KT smoke unit and a slightly more powerful fan, the effect is almost over the top for indoors but will be just fine outside, I'm not so keen on the way the smoke falls out the bottom of the stack with the deflector.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Lots done today with 213.
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All the wiring is now complete, the new smoker is  smokey!
All the wiring is now complete, the new smoker is smokey!
Track pulling rope painted.
Track pulling rope painted.
Read deck extinguisher fitted.
Read deck extinguisher fitted.
Antenna base and antenna fitted.
Antenna base and antenna fitted.
Welds added, it's going to be challenging to blend the paint.
Welds added, it's going to be challenging to blend the paint.
Painting the periscopes.
Painting the periscopes.
I need to find the missing bracket
I need to find the missing bracket
Lights wired and working
Lights wired and working
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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213 is now coming together, I've started on the general weathering, the rear deck is now lowered, the tow cables look a lot better.
Lots more weathering to do, the general paintwork has been very well done indeed.
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The lowered deck now looks correct.
The lowered deck now looks correct.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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Coming along Phil, did you reduce the height of the rear plate?

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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

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I have that option but I'm happy with the look so far, if I do it will only be 50% of the amount I lowered the deck. Are you keeping busy with the used model market, I'm finding good models difficult to find? I love the all steel Tigers they are heavy weights for sure and behave in a more prototypical way. This one will be for sale very soon and will make an excellent ready to run and enjoy example.
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Re: Tiger 213 refurbish.

Post by David Brady »

Hi,

Just busy with my collection, just a couple more to add
then that's me done.... probably got around 20 years of work maybe longer at my speed!
2007 late tiger is a good model to pick up second hand as its very similar to latest releases.

Good models have always been hard to find! Seems to ba a few old tigers appearing on Ebay, perfect for someone starting out.

Cheers

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