Armortek

Posted: **Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:20 pm**

Hi all
my nane is karl and i have a 222 and i am looking for a 20mm mags for the gun can any one put me in the right directions
thanks karl

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:47 pm**

Hello Karl

What type do you want? Cases or the Bannana Mags. Give me a ring see website.

Lee

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:10 am**

Karl, I had to buy a complete pak 38 kit with figure on E-Bay and then cut the cases down to fit the breach.See in the for sale section my 222. I sold the figure seperately, and then fitted the metal pak onto the 222 gun mount. together with a DID metal MG 42. The cases should be straight for the 222 not curved!

Posted: **Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:20 pm**

Hi Robin,

The short, 10 rounds, mags for the KwK 38 on the 222 are not straight but still slightly curved.
The scaled mags that are available on the market, are in fact the long 20 rounds versions for the FLAK 38. Clearly these will not fit on the 222 unless they are modified as described by you.

Source: PanzerspÃ¤hwagen, Feist & Johnson, Ryton Publications

Posted: **Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:45 pm**

hi all

i have just about all the extra detail parts i need for when i start building apart from the main gun does anyone know where i can get it by its self i have searched most sites but to no avail as of yet

thanks

colin

Posted: **Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:35 pm**

Hi Colin,

I think it will be very difficult to find the Flak 38 as a separate item, and if you do it will cost you almost as much as the complete kit that it belongs to.
Check with Lee Sellars if he can help you with this kit http://newthorpemodels.co.uk/component/ ... ,18/hit,1/ . It is a beauty

Posted: **Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:15 pm**

hi ad

ye im starting to think that i just hate buying stuff i dont need it ends up sitting on the shelf i might have to get the lathe working when i start building it

colin

Posted: **Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:34 pm**

Hi Colin,

Just remembered something

The separate Flak 38 (without the dol... I mean Action Figure) is available from www.war-toys.com . Search the left pane menu for DragonWWII, boxed Dragon 1:6thWWII, Marcus Holzhammer .
Still some useless parts included, but only USD 79,95.

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:55 pm**

spotted that one thanks its kinda will i wont i situation

colin

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:34 pm**

Gentlemen, as you can see from my photo, the mags have been cut down to fit the breech, and they are still slightly curved!

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:45 pm**

Where did the used rounds from the guns go ?

I can't imagine they just fell into the vehicle.

Was there some form of gurtsack arrangement ?

Adrian.

Posted: **Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:36 pm**

Adrian,

The spent shells went into the "spent shell shute".
That is the part just above the right hand of the figure in the above picture from Robin. I have seen pictures where a kind of "sack" was attached to the bottom of the shute.

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:17 pm**

A better photo of my magazine mods.ROBIN

Posted: **Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:41 am**

> The spent shells went into the "spent shell shute".

Were the MG casings directed to the same shute ?

Also, when belt fed guns like the MG and US .30 and .50 cal models are fired, does the belt leave intact or does the gun spit out the cartridges and links separately ?

Robin, thanks for the closeup.

Adrian.

Posted: **Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:07 pm**

When a MG is belt-fed, the empty shell remains in the belt link. In most German AFV's the belt and shells were led back into an empty "gurtsack".
As mentioned earlier, a big sized type of "Gurtsack" could be attached to the underside of the shute/deflector to collect the empty 20 mm, shells.

On the below picture you can see part of this device. It is the green piece of cloth below the shute,