Churchhill tank anyone?

leesellars · Post by **leesellars** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:14 pm

Hello Brian

Armortek havent done it so far. Look at the King Tiger . If you want the Porsche turret you have to buy the standard King tiger with the henshel turret.
Also the Stug III citadel is a complicated piece as it is on the Stug IV.

Lee

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:03 pm

leesellars wrote:Hello Chaps

As we all Know Allied stuff dont sell as no one puts there money where there mouth is. Just look at the Sherman which took ages to sell.
As for an option for the PZIII to convert to a Stug i dont think that will happen. If there was a Stug III Released it would be the whole Tank and not the top Half.

Lee

The Sherman was a sorry excuse for a tank. It seemed like the halftrack sold out.
I think the first decent tank the US built was the Pershing. It was also the first one that could go toe to toe with the big German cats.

leesellars · Post by **leesellars** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:16 pm

Hello Roland

Not neccessary. The Sherman only came into its own when we converted it to the Firefly.

Lee

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:41 pm

Hi Lee
I knew that was coming.

Allan Richards · Post by **Allan Richards** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:11 pm

Rolland,

I though you meant that the Armortek Sherman kit was a sorry excuse. The kit itself is good, if lacking a little in the finer detail, however Armortek are gettng better with every kit. To be honest I think that Armortek are going to have to get to grips with smaller batches if they are going to continue with tanks, as the time is going to come when the market for the German big cats is saturated and not so profitable. At this point limited runs of other vehicles, be they Allied or Axis will be the only alternative.

Jim Fowler · Post by **Jim Fowler** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:40 pm

I think I am kind of at odds with the general 1/6th scale tankers as I decided to NOT go for a Tiger or a Panther. Partly due to cost and timing, but alot more due to the fact that everyone else seem to be getting them. I initially was going to wait for Armortek to offer up the P4 again. Then came the P3...

I really did not think it would sell as well as it has; and, it just seemed to be exactly what I was looking for... Well, I was not alone on that one, it would appear!

I would still like to someday get a P4. But, I have to say that I would most definitely consider getting a Stug III - even over the P4. Since Stugs were used just about everywhere, they have some very interesting build possibilities too.

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:57 pm

Allan Richards wrote:Rolland,

I though you meant that the Armortek Sherman kit was a sorry excuse. The kit itself is good, if lacking a little in the finer detail, however Armortek are gettng better with every kit. To be honest I think that Armortek are going to have to get to grips with smaller batches if they are going to continue with tanks, as the time is going to come when the market for the German big cats is saturated and not so profitable. At this point limited runs of other vehicles, be they Allied or Axis will be the only alternative.

Oh NO not at all Allen, I ment the Sherman as a weapons system. A total waste of tank crews.
I think your right about the smaller batches. I think they could do the larger batches of platforms, like the PZ III and IV then small batches of tops, there are so many variations possible. I could go for some SP artilery like a Hummel or something but no more German tanks for me, unless its a Leopard and even then there is the cost issue.

Tim Bowman · Post by **Tim Bowman** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:52 am

Well, regardless, I'm still sorry I missed out on the Sherman kit.

Jim, like you I was hoping for a revisited and updated PIV kit. I must of asked Gill every year.. "any chance this year for a PIV?"

regards
Tim

Allan Webster · Post by **Allan Webster** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:01 am

leesellars wrote:Hello Chaps

As we all Know Allied stuff dont sell as no one puts there money where there mouth is.
Lee

That's not very fair, Lee. Some of us did put our money where our mouth is and would put our money where our mouth is in the future. Allied stuff does not sell as well as some German stuff but it has sold better than, for example, the 222, the SdKfz 7 or the 88mm.

Allan

Allan Richards · Post by **Allan Richards** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:37 am

Be it allied or German I think that the lesson is there to be taken on the models produced to date. Other than the variations of the Tiger's and Panther's I think that the level of sales that can be expected for the more "unusual" models would be significantly less. The challenge is then for Armortek to produce small batch numbers and still make sufficient levels of profit.
I think that to make a profit from small batches Armortek would need to sell the models up front of manufacture, with possibly a substantial payment up front. I think the challenge for Armortek is to consider taking this small batch idea forward.

Jim Fowler · Post by **Jim Fowler** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:43 pm

Tim, All we can do is ask - right? Well, that is two of us interested in a P4 anyway....although I am sure there would be more. We just need to hang in there and keep asking. I figure if we bug Mark and Gill enough, we will get a chance at the P4 again at some point.

I mean, at some point, the desire and profitability in Tigers and Panthers is going to drop off, especially with most vendors in this market offering them?????

But, with the announcement of the Mid Tiger as the next offering from Armortek, I am sort of relieved in a way that it was not a P4 - it sort of gives me the time to concentrate on my P3 and other projects I want to pursue.

Also, I am sort of torn as I think I would like to have another Allied tank before getting another German one. While, I liked the Sherman, I sort of had my Stuart when it was offered up - I was wanting a German tank to match it up to then - I guess I am always "out-of-sync" with the market - (GRIN!).

I have been told of another manufacturer that is looking into possibly making a Pershing, in WWII config; and, that sort of holds my interest in the future too. I guess the Pershing is sort of my "Heavy Tank" front contender with some sort of German Heavy as a secondary match for it - although, the P4 would work for me in that arena too - (NAG, NAG...).

I am sort on mix on this too, as I really don't consider the Pershing for the most part as a WWII tank in a lot of ways. I mean it was there, but really never got a real change to play a major role. I guess this is the negative part of me showing thru on the subject. But, its was there, and it would make an awsome RC tank to have! (Too bad, i could not working in a Korean War paint job!.....But, that would lead me to wanting a T34 probably......see how I can just wander off sometimes.....SORRY!)

And, to think, this thread is supposed to be about a Churchill - boy have i drifted! Well, at least I did not work in anything about wanting a Stug 3 this time (GRIN!)......

Best Wishes and Happy Holidays to everyone!
And, I will try to make a Newyear's Resolution to try to stay on the subject.

Brian Leach · Post by **Brian Leach** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:02 pm

HI.

When I asked the question it was ment not so much as "Would any one like to see a Churchill" as "What are the rest of you thinking?"

I am in line for one of theMid-Tigers, but I expect I will get a PIII in May if they are still being offered. For future vehicles I must say a vote for the Stug III comes from me, although I would like to see some British tanks comming out. The Matilda, Valentine, Churchill? Would be interesting and as one of you said, somewhat complex. For me the building is the attraction. I worry how I will feel when I am done. Kind of big to stick on the office shelf... Someone did say the most realistic weathering comes from leaving them out in the sun...

-B

Derek Attree · Post by **Derek Attree** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:10 pm

Hi Guys
I would still love to see a universal carrier,But not for a couple of years as
I have too much to do as I am just starting to do a fighting compartment for a stug III to go on my PzIII.

I have now made card templates to get the fits and angles right and I will probably make one out of plastic card before I cut metal in the next year.

Derek

Tim Bowman · Post by **Tim Bowman** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:56 pm

Derek Attree wrote:I have too much to do as I am just starting to do a fighting compartment for a stug III to go on my PzIII.

I have now made card templates to get the fits and angles right and I will probably make one out of plastic card before I cut metal in the next year.

Derek

Hi Derek

Excellent!

I really look forward to seeing your upper hull project. Please post pictures in the gallery or forum.

Merry Christmas
Tim

Kent Wiik · Post by **Kent Wiik** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:05 pm

I do not think we will see an Allied tank before another Panther-, PanzerIV-, Tiger batch and after the next natural step a Stug III have been made - sorry.

The German designs are more selling so Mark and Gill has to pick safe cash cows in the future.

And the next Allied tanks will not be a Churchill as that one donÂ´t attract a worldwide market.
No the next one served with "the good guys

" will be a...

...T34-85 with its potential in further T34-76, SÃš100.

To everyone here - A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Kent
(from a cold, snowy place near the arctic circle - well suitable for Christmas...)

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