jadgtiger

simon_manning · Post by **simon_manning** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:26 pm

at the openday mark would consider tooling up if enough orders were placed,anybody for the jadgtiger!, viewing it at bovington you realise its a monster.

simon manning

Dan Williams · Post by **Dan Williams** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:30 am

Hi Simon
I can't but would like to see a photo of the one the museum has.Did anyone
take a shot of it? Dan

Mick Regan · Post by **Mick Regan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:21 am

Hi Dan

I was unable to go to the Armortek Open Day and Bovington Tour

, but I was there a couple of weeks ago and took some shots of the Jadgtiger. The Jadgtiger is 30 cm/ 1ft longer than the King Tiger, the hull being extended between the last road wheel and the idler. So a 1/6th model would be 5cm/ 2 ins longer than the KT kit

The Bovington Jadgtiger is a Porsche variant, so has the smaller road wheels and 16 tooth sprocket.

Missing road wheel

Zimmeritte on the rear hull

Engine Bay

Breech from the rear doors

Per Sonnervik · Post by **Per Sonnervik** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:12 pm

Hi,

Thanks for the photos, Mick, but I canÂ´t say I like the camo. they put on, even the British green it had before is better than this.

About the extra length of the JagdTiger hull, I took the time to measure the hull and found itÂ´s 400 mm longer than the Tiger II. I got the same result 12 years earlier when I did the same thing but I thought I made an error (I was on my own with a steel measureing band both times). ItÂ´s supposed to be only 300 mm longer according to documents in Spielberger,Jentz and DoyleÂ´s Heavy JagdPanzer.

Comparing a drawing called "Gesamtansicht Tiger B" dated 3.6 1943 the Tiger II hull (from the front of the towing eye to the end of the upper towing eye) is 7134 mm long and a MI 10 drawing from August 1945 the JagdTiger hull (same distance) is 7520 mm making the difference 386 mm. Closer to 400 mm than 300 mm, taken into account that the MI 10 drawing probably was made under haste.

All this aside, I would buy a 1/6 version of this impressive vehicle.

Regards,

Per

Allan Webster · Post by **Allan Webster** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:07 pm

I have thought long and hard before making this post. One of the problems with on-line forums is that it can be very difficult to express a different point of view or to ask for an explanation of a different point of view without it looking like personal criticism. Please, please do not think this is criticism at all. You are fully entitled to hold and express your point of view. It is just so different from my own that I would like to try to understand it.

What puzzles me is why after three different variants of Tiger I, a Panther, a Jagdpanther, a Tiger II and a Panzer III there emerges a lobby for a Jagdtiger. Specifically, Germany in WWII produced a number of other excellent vehicles. For example, Armortek's SdKfz 7 (and I am lucky enough to own one) seems to me to be an excellent model of what was an excellent prime mover. Why then are there still some left ? Is no-one interested in the vehicles of the major participants in WWII other than the US or Germany - for example, in a Soviet, British, Italian or Japanese AFV ? Is no-one interested in post-WWII vehicles ?

Again, please do not misunderstand me. I do not intend any criticism at all nor am I seeking to discourage Mark from producing a Jagdtiger if there is the demand for it. Nor am I seeking to be provocative and I apologise profusely if this creates any offence to anyone. But I would like to try to understand why so many people's preferred choices seem to be limited to such a narrow selection of historical AFV's.

Antony Rowley · Post by **Antony Rowley** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:57 pm

Hi Allan,

I personally like the WW2 German AFV's over all others simply because they look so much better than any other of that era

. I have tried to like a British tank but they just don't do it for me

. The T34 is a tank I would consider in the future but regarding modern AFV's I think they are very similar and a bit boring looking IMHO.
As for the SdKfz 7 I think this look's quite a complicated kit, which is one of the reasons I opted for the Panzer III. Maybe another halftrack Armortek could consider is the excellent 250

. This would accompany my Panzer III ideally in the wide open deserts of North Africa.

Thanks Antony

Stewart Ashton · Post by **Stewart Ashton** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:01 pm

Hi Allan,
We are all afv enthusiasts and we have are favourite
vehicles from whatever period of time during or after both
world wars.

But for Gill and Mark this is a business which needs to make a
profit!

I dont know the minimum batch number required in order to make a
profit but I would think it would have to be at least twenty or more
likely thirty models.

In other words if the number of members, say fourty people, asked for a certain model then it makes perfect sense to make that model no matter what it was.

I would love a T34 or a mark 4 but thats just me.

Regards Stewart

Tim Bowman · Post by **Tim Bowman** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:57 pm

Hi Allan,

For me, WWII holds a special place in history/development and technical advancements of AFVs. In the years during the war the progress made, especially by the German's is just amazing. I think this, plus the fact the German Panzer forces were so respected, is the reason German Armor is preferred over others. No offense to us Allies.

Like Antony, modern vehicles, although very cool, are just a boring subject. In my very humble opinion.

The Sdkfz 7 is an awesome looking kit, especially accompanied by the 88 and I really enjoy all the excellent builds of them on the forum and in the gallery. But for me, I prefer Armor and Soft-skin vehicles that were in the heat of battle. No offense to 88 fans as yes, I know they were definitely in the heat of battle. In fact, usually delivering the heat itself!.

Not sure about a Jagdtiger. Being partial to the Normandy campaign, a Sdkfz 251 Ausf D would be most welcome.

Just my 2 cents (which is only worth 0.011 British pounds)

Kind regards

Tim

Allan Richards · Post by **Allan Richards** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:14 pm

Allan,

Clearly Armorteks sales data will show you where the interests really lie and it does seem to be with German WWII tanks, starting with the Tiger 1 and working down. I bought the early Tiger 1 as a first model but then went for the Sherman as it is quite different to the Tiger to build and I could convert it to a British Firefly. Building a Panther, or King Tiger would be too similar to the Tiger 1. I do like the half tracks but have decided to stick with tanks, so that leaves me with the option of the Panzer III on a later batch or whatever new option comes along.

Possibly the Centurion would satisfy WWII (just), UK, and modern.

David Hopkins · Post by **David Hopkins** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:00 pm

Doodling In the workshop on a rainy sunday afternoon, nothing to do so knocked this up together. good for target practice if nothing else.

Chang · Post by **Chang** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:50 pm

Hello David,
Are you building a wooden mock-up model for the testing of the metal one, on behalf of the Armortek?

(Just a joke! You have done well so far. Like your workshop.)

simon_manning · Post by **simon_manning** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:40 pm

i do agree with tim bowman there is something more interesting for me in german ww2 afvs ,perhaps they were the result of a society gone mad and extreme over design,this might be part of the attraction,one thing for sure when visiting bovington tank museum the german tanks stand out ,facing up to them must have been daunting

the wooden jagdtiger is coming on well .

simon manning

Allan Webster · Post by **Allan Webster** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:05 pm

I am not against German tanks and certainly not against the Jagdtiger. Oddly enough I must be one of a very small number to already own a 1/6 Jagdtiger. Where I seem to differ from most is that I would like my collection not to be restricted to German WWII tanks only. But Allan R is right - Gill and Mark have no alternative but to offer those models that are likely to sell in reasonable numbers

simon_manning · Post by **simon_manning** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:07 pm

hello alan

please post some photos of your jagdtiger

many thanks simon manning

Allan Webster · Post by **Allan Webster** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:14 am

Simon,

Here you go :