Make a Bang

james leslie · Post by **james leslie** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:52 am

Here is that gun simulator shown firing again. This one is now installed in the model.

I must say, the thing is impressive as all hell. Pardon my language.

This seems like the way to go for realism, repeatability of fire, and low cost. Those gas cylinders only cost about $7.00 each at the hardware store. That has got to be cheaper than 12 guage blanks.

Regards

James Leslie

james leslie · Post by **james leslie** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:55 am

OOPS,

I missed one, here is another video.

Regards

James Leslie

Post by **Armortek** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:21 am

We have been monitoring this post carefully.
There are potential safety issues with some of the proposed systems above. We strongly recommend that these systems are not used in Armortek products. Any attempt to fit and use any firing mechanism other than our own approved design is done so entirely at customers own risk.

Gill and Mark

Adrian Harris · Post by **Adrian Harris** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:46 pm

I realise I say this as someone who has yet to fire an Armortek system in anger and therefore hasn't faced the cleanup involved but the gas system just seems too clean...

I'd rather there was more smoke than bang, something along the lines of the Jagdpanther test firing video on YouTube.

It would be interesting to see the gas firing system installed in the hull and/or turret machine gun locations though, especially on rapid fire.

Adrian.

Allan Richards · Post by **Allan Richards** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:24 pm

Those video's are certainly impressive and obviously the system can be fitted in the Tiger. The guy seemed to be triggering the system manually but I expect it would be easy to fire it remotely. I am not sure how tolerant our British neighbourhoods would be of that sort of noise though, I wonder if there is scope to reduce the volume as there seemed to be differing amounts of flame for each shot, and I wonder to what extent this variation can be controlled.

Jim Slothower · Post by **Jim Slothower** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:27 am

Well, I must say it is impressive. Just what I am looking for, Flame, some smoke, large bang, clean shooting, dont have to reload allot....

But I want it to be signed off on by Underwriters Laboratories to be as safe as my back yard BBQ. I cant see putting all this time in a $10,000.00 museum quality model to get one detonation out it that I might not even catch on film...

Let me know if you guys get the bugs worked out and what kind of safety warranty it carries.....

Great stuff though, dont get me wrong, thats what I want.

Jim

Tim Bowman · Post by **Tim Bowman** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:33 am

Jim Slothower wrote: I cant see putting all this time in a $10,000.00 museum quality model to get one detonation out it that I might not even catch on film...

Hi Jim,

Hasn't anyone told you rule # 1 on this forum?

We never mention the actual dollar amounts we spend on these fine models.

(just kidding of course)

Very impressive. I'm with Adrian, more smoke please.

Tim

Jim Slothower · Post by **Jim Slothower** » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:08 am

Tim,

Dooh

Where are the rules listed??? LOL.

I guess I need an official sponsor to guide me, I pick you

So try not to let me make anymore mistakes,

Jim

Lionel Champ · Post by **Lionel Champ** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:30 am

Hi Gill and Mark,
Thank you for your post on this subject and I would like to say that I totally agree with you on the safety side of fitting this system.If it is not done correctly, then there is a potential for serious injury. Saying that, I was wondering if Armortek had ever considered looking into this system itself. If Armortek approached a company (like the one I saw at the Military Odyssey) and co- produces a system designed specifically for RC tanks, then It would reduce the chances of someone making their own system and hurting themselves. The system that the re-enactors use must have passed Health and safety regs for it to be sold (especially with gas tubes running up your sleeve) and with your input, I am sure that a safe system can be produced.
I think that this post has shown that there is a demand for a system like this and it could be an option pack that would suit future and past releases.The cleanliness and ease of use are big selling points and I think that they would be in great demand.
I am not a buisness man and I am sure that there are many factors that I haven't considered, but I would appreciate your point of view.
All the best
Lionel

Post by **Armortek** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:19 pm

Hello Lionel

We take on board your points and appreciate that this type of system may be of interest.

However the blank firer is the least popular of the options we offer. This is usually due to people living in locations where it would not be suitable to use.

At the moment this would not be a route that we would want to pursue, however as always we will keep an open mind and could re visit the idea at a later date.

Gill and Mark

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:01 am

Hi Guys

These have been in use for years, they were used on landfill site,s to scare the birds away from eating the cr-p!! a big gas bottle, and a long tube

every time i past it, it all ways made me jump

Another point is if you had a bad leak, it would be a cool photo

!!!!!!!

richie

Garry Coomber · Post by **Garry Coomber** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:04 am

I know of at least one person having this fitted to his tanks. Looks and sounds great and the guy that does the work does seem to know his onions.

The problems will be at indoor shows all the gas will have to come out, same as petrol. With RC controlling it you have the potential for interfence, you could have some unexpected firings. Not so much of an issue with 2.4ghz, but something to bear in mind. But there are some huge health and saftey issues if you are one that visits public shows. You could only use it well away from the public, or at least where they cannot get anywhere near it.

I wished I could have a tank which lived and breathed as a mini replica and did everything it's big brother did or does, but I fear that for anything other than personal use, in public health and safety will prevent you.

Joe Boylan · Post by **Joe Boylan** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:08 am

Gentlemen -

Mark is right - we have a Armortek firing system with smoke and it's safe.

What we really need is a smooth working barrel recoil system.

How about it Mark?, maybe even one that would work for all tank barrels!

JOE

Post by **Armortek** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:49 am

Hi Joe

The problem for us as a UK manufacturer, is the very tight legal restrictions on this kind of thing here. The original design for our firing unit was submitted to the authorities with a working recoil system. The unit was approved on the specific previso that the recoil was removed. The logic was that in the event of a failure of part of the recoil mechanism, the barrel could be ejected. We did a test and the steel Panther barrel was fired 30yards! We can not offer it in the Panzer 111 because the bore of the barrel is just not big enough to safely discharge the volume of gasses generated.

Obtaining approval to make and sell this type of device is not optional here. All manufacturers, and importers must obtain it. The gas based device does not have this approval as far as I am aware. I would not consider such a device, personally, I think it is potentially very dangerous.

Mark

Matthijs Dijkstra · Post by **Matthijs Dijkstra** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:08 pm

Hi guys,

Allthough I like the flame and bang of the gas firing system I favor the Armortek firing system because it is much closer to the real thing! The deep bang and amount of smoke the black powder cartridges produce are great! Cleaning the system and the barrel is part of the fun

ha ha ha!
Last but not least it's save which cannot be said of the gas firing system!

Best regards,

Matthijs