Should the road wheels be symetrical opposit each other

[Steve Norris]

Gents,

I have been looking through my copy of "Panther and its variants" by Walter J Spielberger and on page 62 there is a line drawing showing the Panther suspension set up. Although small and without dimensions it does show the R/H side wheels leading the L/H side ones by a small amount (Look at the front wheel center lines), this would seem to corespond to published wartime photos. I guess the drawing will represent a tank at its nominal ride height and reality may be a little different.

Waiting for flak

Steve

[Antony Rowley]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the link. The diagram you describe is below and I've added the thin vertical line just in front of the front wheels. I still can't see the difference discussed here so please explain as I'm willing to listen to reasoned debate not "I'm right and anyone who differs from me is plain wrong" - Yes Kent that was aimed at just you.

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No flak from me Steve just friendly discussion.

Thanks Ant

[Armortek]

Hi all

I do not belive that there is any design differnece in the position of the wheels on either side of the tank. The only reason for designing a torsion bar sprung vehicle with leading axles one side and trailing axles the other, is to get the wheels in the same place. Otherwise you are back to the older Panzer 111 layout. Photos shot out precise square to the vehicle, where we can only guess on the vehicle loading condition and flatness of the surface its stands on, are meaningless. Picking drawings out of published books is also of little value. One can choose to draw this suspension with wheels equal, left leading or right leading. They are all correct.

Mark

[Antony Rowley]

One last photo from me below shows a difference between the ride heights of both front wheels on the same vehicle. I drew the line from the bottom of the mudguard and this clearly shows one wheel set higher than the other (Obviously taking into consideration angle of photo etc)

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Thanks Ant

[Steve Norris]

Hi Antony,
Your right, I do need glasses , The line drawing you show is much clearer and shows the wheels inline. Also if the suspension was a little more compressed on the left side and matched the right side the result would be to move the wheel slightly forward. I guess that there is no definate right or wrong to this debate as the wheel positions all depend on the vehicle loading/CofG/ground conditions.
Interesting topic though.
Regards
Steve

[Kent Wiik]

Hi Ant,

This is the last I will add to this discussion, if you still aren’t convinced your lost.

Nice try but you have to draw those lines horizontally or you will end up wrong.
Draw a line from centre wheel hub caps and take one parallel from centre sprocket.



Hate to rain on your parade Ant but the photo says it all...

Kind regards
Kent

[Paul Morris]

Hi Kent.

Is it really all that counts who is on top? I seem to remember something about welds around the fuel water re fill caps on the Tiger 1. ? Sorry but its a hobby after all.
Cheers Paul

[Antony Rowley]

Ha, Ha, you can quite clearly see your lines aren't straight. It's amazing how you can convince yourself by drawing wonky lines. To humour you I've added lines to my photo from the centre hub to the sprocket and hey presto they are still out:

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How about this diagram maybe you want to add a wonky line to that too



How on earth can you base a discussion on 2 separate photo's, taken at different times and maybe at different heights and different distances away is beyond me, they aren't even straight. But hey I'm still here to be convinced
Enjoy trawling through thousands of photo's,books to prove a point and in a funny way I hope you do as I really don't care that much as Paul says it's only a hobby.

Thanks Ant

[Brian Leach]

Come on boys, lighten up.

Both of you.

Brian

[Marcel de Groene]

Never thought my post would end up with two respected members emptying their barrels on each other. Come on guys, you both made your point and I settled with the settings I have now.(allthough it was hilarious at some point )