late tiger build

David Gray · Post by **David Gray** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:00 pm

hi there
has anyone else ,building the late tiger had problems with the
pannier floors i have had to grind about 1.5 mm off the whole length in order to get the sides to fit flush with the front glacier
plate and rear hull plate . not shore if this is because it is a folded fabrication and might differ from kit to kit.

dave gray

Post by **Armortek** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:40 am

David

The fold along the inside edge of the pannier floors has distorted a little at each end very locally. This is unavoidable, and produces a bump about 1.5mm high in two spots. Removal of these bumps with a file is very straight forward. Under no circumstance should it have been necessary to remove material along the whole length.

Mark

Stefan Konitzer · Post by **Stefan Konitzer** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:19 am

Hi
I have file it down but it still 1 mm left
the floor is 94 mm vide but the gapp is 93 mm between
the over and under side plate

stefan

Post by **Armortek** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:42 am

Stefan

The space should be 94mm. Check that you have everything square and that you have not tightened the lower hull screws before fitting the pannier floors and sides

mark

David Gray · Post by **David Gray** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:57 pm

hi mike
not shore why i had to do this, i filed well back the areas you
mentioned and left all the fasteners loose on the hull floor and everywhere else but the sides where still well proud at the front and rear
dave

Stefan Konitzer · Post by **Stefan Konitzer** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:39 pm

Hi all
have anyone assambly the wheels yet
i measured the holes in the hub x and y there the bearings shall fit
and i got 26,25 mm should it not be approx 25,98-26,00
to fit the bearings

Post by **Armortek** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:16 pm

Stefan

The bearing fit you describe is for a press fit. In our kits we assume that our builders do not have a bearing press. The bores are sized for bearing fitting using Loctite (or a similar industrial adhesive). These types of adhesive require a small gap in order to give best results. The clearance that you describe is common to all our kits.

Regards
Mark

Kent Wiik · Post by **Kent Wiik** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:24 pm

Hi all,

Has not started my Tiger build yet, only unpack all parts and to be frank got a bit disappointed

A fast look on the turret revealed the well known error from previous versions regarding the vision ports is not included in the 100+ upgrades.
This one was spoken of as early as 2003 on this forum:

http://www.daventrynet.co.uk/forum/foru ... &KW=turret+

The 2 vision ports (Sehschlitzplatte) are not supposed to be in line - the right one is further back.:

http://www.tiger1.info/pictures/TurretPlan.jpg

Yes, it can be corrected by the builder as seen here on Pete Fertl old gallery:

http://www.armortek.co.uk/galleryowners ... tl001.html

So easy to correct while program the machine before manufacture the turret.
But now not the easiest thing to do as the hole is quite large to drill and the surface are tilted because of the turret shape.
And I was so certain this error had been taken care of on this Late version thatâ€™s why I got disappointed to add this on the must do list - sorry.

Cheers
Kent (the biggest rivet counter in the hobby

)

Post by **Armortek** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:13 pm

Hello Kent.

Following your critical comments, I have just checked the CNC programme for the turret wrap. I find that the two pistol ports are not symmetrically machined as you claim. The left had port is 39.3mm in front of the turret axis and the right hand port is 25.6mm in front. They appear at first glance to be the same distance from the turret front edge because of the difference in the angle of approach between the two turret sides. I can assure that we have tried to correct this issue and apologise if you feel that we have either not bothered or still got it wrong. It is always disappointing to read such a negative reaction to a product of which we are very proud.

Mark

Kent Wiik · Post by **Kent Wiik** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:59 pm

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your reply and if my part had that measure you mention I would not have any trouble but it doesnâ€™t.

Here are some photos of my turret.
And this is how long the distance is from the side of the hole for the gun pivot to centre hole for the vision port on my 1/6th turret:

Left side: 107,5mm

Right side: 104,5

107,5 / 104,5 = 1,02

From the side of the hole for the gun pivot to centre hole for the vision port on a drawing:

Left side: 31,5mm

Right side: 39mm

39 / 31,5 = 1,24

Something is very wrong on my part here â€“ donâ€™t you agree?
Maybe it is only my turret that got wrong but talking to other Late Tiger kit owners they have the same thing as I have.

Donâ€™t worry I want claim a new part or send this one back for corrections I will do that myself.
Will take a while and was nothing I expected but it is no big deal.
Will do it the same way as Pete did.

Sincerely
Kent

Post by **Armortek** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:50 am

Kent

Thank you for your observations. I don't agree that there is something wrong with your turret. Your turret will be exactly the same as all the others. It can be very misleading to take such measurements from illustrations in books, and scale them up. I have checked our programming and our stock, and I am perfectly happy that we have the turret correct.

Having said all that, you are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and to make any changes that you see fit.

Mark

Kent Wiik · Post by **Kent Wiik** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:19 am

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply and even if I might be consider a â€œstrange oneâ€

Post by **Armortek** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:05 am

Gentlemen

Gill and I have reviewed the progress of this thread and considered its tone and content very carefully. Unfortunately we do not consider that Kent will ever be happy with this product. We have, therefore decided to write to him directly in order to reach an understanding.

Mark and Gill.

David Ward · Post by **David Ward** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:14 am

Hello

Returning to the original point of the fit of pannier floors and sides, I found, apart from removing the bumps mentioned in the instructions, that the radius of the large lug on the rear panel that engages in the hull sides requires a slight file so the rear panel sits against the hull sides correctly. This than brings the pannier and sides into the correct position. Hope that makes sense.

David

James Parks · Post by **James Parks** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:43 am

David,

What you describe makes perfect sense. I found the process to be very straightforward and easy to do, once filed a little, the fit is perfect.

Thanks,
James

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Makes perfect sense