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Hi
Does anybody know a supplier of 1/6 scale cam net?. I'm thinking about 25mm squares,would that be about right?
I have a fishing net that's about that size but I don't really want to chop it up
Many thanks
Chris

Hi Chris.

Fishing tackle shop replacement nets you get a new one for fishing old one put to use?
Cheers Paul.

Chop it up. Unless you're looking for Moby Dick, you can always buy a different net for fishing that'll end up being cheaper than a 1/6 camo net.

Hi Dave,

When I was looking for camouflage netting for my T34, I came across what might do in ASDA Satsumas bag netting. Just give the netting a spray or two with what ever colour you want!
It worked for me,see below!

Cheers Ian

Outstanding! I love it.

Of course other stores also sell Satsumas in net bags......ahem ahem being political correct there.

Hi All,

Ref; the camouflage netting question, I have done a small amount of research on this for British WWII netting, the larger net is 2” square and sizes I found from Terence Wise, D-day to Berlin, are:

“The 1941 Camouflage pamphlet sets out the allocation of nets to vehicles as follows:-
One 35x15ft net for each scout car (to be cut into two halves).
Two 25x12ft nets for each armoured car.
One 35x15ft net for tanks
Two 14x14ft nets for Lorries up to 30cwt
Two 24x24ft nets for Lorries over 30cwt.
One 14x14ft net for cars of all types.

There are some netting suppliers on e-bay and ‘allplas’ do a 10mm which is quite good.
Mark.

Mark Weddell wrote:Hi All,

Ref; the camouflage netting question, I have done a small amount of research on this for British WWII netting, the larger net is 2” square and sizes I found from Terence Wise, D-day to Berlin, are:

“The 1941 Camouflage pamphlet sets out the allocation of nets to vehicles as follows:-
One 35x15ft net for each scout car (to be cut into two halves).
Two 25x12ft nets for each armoured car.
One 35x15ft net for tanks
Two 14x14ft nets for Lorries up to 30cwt
Two 24x24ft nets for Lorries over 30cwt.
One 14x14ft net for cars of all types.

There are some netting suppliers on e-bay and ‘allplas’ do a 10mm which is quite good.




Mark.

Ah, just the job!
Thanks for everybody's input
Chris

Hi

I have been researching this for a while (10 years +)

Seems to me that the elephant (camouflaged) in the room lies not in the size of the net nor net spacing, but in the pattern of the scrim strips affixed to the net. This varies from theatre to theatre as well as Allied to Axis. Hence you have to pick you theatre and then research the net pattern used in that theatre in that year.
Some museums (eg Middle Wallop) use the correct period pattern nets in their 1:1 dioramas
other museums use whatever they have to hand. Caveat emptor!
My advice is always, always go back to wartime photos. Life, Pathe, IWM etc for Allied, Panzerwrecks etc for Axis.

Good Christmas reads on the subject:

Camouflage, Guy Hartcup,2008, Pen and Sword, ISBN 184415769-5
Deceivers Ever, Steven Sykes, 1990, Spellmount, ISBN 0-946771-54-5

Both out of print but you may get lucky!
I have yet to see any model with correctly depicted scale scrim netting. Probably because it is just too demanding to be bothered with. Now there is a business opportunity!

Season's Greetings
Fabrice

Hi Again,

This picture may help (or not!) WWII netting.

Mark.

Honestly guys, here's my take on this sort of thing. I know many won't agree with this, but it is supposed to be an "enjoyable hobby". I think there comes a point where it almost becomes an obsessive compulsion. "Models", of all sorts, are an approximation to the real thing, and no matter how many times you try to split the same hair, that's all it can ever be---a parabolic approximation. I think you can pour too much detail into this, so much so that it becomes irrelevent. So much so, that it takes forever to finish it: so much so that maybe it never dones. There's always half-finished ones for sale out there. "Details", that perhaps you can't even notice when it's completed. Wasted time? Wasted effort? "Well, the real-deal had this, so by God, I'm going to get it in there too", or so perhaps the thought goes. As if someone were going to go over every square inch of it with a magnifier when done, and criticise you for every discrepency. It's really not a competition, either with yourself or anyone else. Everyone's abilities and comfort level is different, and yes, you want to love the end-result, but when it becomes drudgery, not enjoyable, maybe it's time to move past that insignificant,"N-th degree". Enjoy the hobby, don't be enslaved by it.

Dave,

What you say has been said many times, not just here, but in wider Scale Modelling circles. But your rant is a bit of an over-reaction to what has actually been said in this thread.

You misinterpret people chipping in with observations of real world detail, somehow as criticism of what others have done. If no one has come up a method to depict rolls of scrim netting, then it is a small detail worthy of creative consideration. Of course, no one has to do any detailing work on their models, but if they do, this forum has, for many years, provided the go-to resource for techniques and ideas for tackling these challenges.

For myself, I have a roll of simple green netting on a 1/6th model which I look at and think "if only I can figure of a way to add scrim (short of sewing hundreds of tiny strips by hand) to that, it would look cool"; I am here looking for answers, not inviting accusations of being elitist.

If you would rather discuss a topic privately or make a suggestion to help a forum member there is always the option of sending a PM. But reading through the thread leaves the impression that this is genuinely a topic of interest to all large-scale AFV modellers, so any neat ideas or new techniques would be welcomed. Yours especially.

cheers, Fabrice

Probably only applicable to UK residents, but crop & pond protection netting from Wilko is a reasonably good approximation of camo netting. It's a fine black plastic 10mm square mesh and at only £3 for a 2m x 4m roll probably a lot cheaper than a lot of the stuff on ebay. Unfortunately, they don't sell it with attached scrim........

I called in to The Museum of Army Flying at Middle Wallop today and took some photos of the netting on the World War II displays. The mesh measures 3 inches and the cloth is 1 3/4 inches wide.
I hope this is the right stuff!
Steve

Steve hi. If I remember correctly, that netting was created with modern infra red reflective tape on a modern mesh. It looks the part part I don't think it's representative of the WW2 nets, which were made with quite a substantial mesh and strips of torn hessian cloth. Overall, the wartime nets are much heavier in weight and cruder in appearance.

I hope I haven't been over hasty about your photos, Steve but it's difficult to see the swim in detail. Mark's photo looks like the right stuff.

The second image on this page looks correct for WW2:

http://iacmc.forumotion.com/t3124-wwii-era-camo-net

All the best. Stephen