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MG 34 AA Mount Gurtsack Production

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:56 pm
by Mike Stannard (toyrific)
To answer Martin Cohen's question in the general forum on the Gurtsack production I have to explain the cost and estimated retail price of the Gurtsack. I have done some estimated pricing on my cost to better explain this so you all understand what is involved.

The gurtsack would consist of two thicknesses of photoetched brass parts, a length of brass rod, a hand sewn cloth bag, hand cut leather parts, rivets and nuts and bolts. To assemble these would require shaping of brass parts, soldering and hand riveting.

Cost to make 100 Gurtsacks including the bracket to mount them to the MG AA gun mount:
Production time of artwork for photoetching $150.00 (One time cost)
Converting artwork for photoetch screening (two sets of artwork) $250.00 (One time cost)
Making photoetched parts (two sheets 12" x 18") $250.00
Production of cloth bag (100) $1500.00
Production of leather parts (100 sets) $500.00
Brass, rivets, nuts and bolts (100 sets) $25.00
Total cost of parts $2675.00
Part cost per unit $26.75

Assembling time cost per unit $25.00 (approximately one hour)
50% mark up on finished items $25.00

Estimated retail price of finish Gurtsack $75.00
Estimated retail price of Gurtsack in kit form $40.00

I believe this price to be to high for the market, but I would not consider making them for less. There are excellent resin cast Gurtsacks offered by Armorpax at a very reasonable price and Dragon have released one with one of their figures, this is not a 100% accurate, however it still looks the part and will work for most people. With this in mind I feel I could not sell the quantity required to put them into production.

As an example of production cost and actual retail of a product. I was asked to make the Kar98 rifle racks for the rear of the Kettenkrad. These I made and offered them a $25.00 assembled and $15.00 in kit form. These were made several months ago and with all the Kettenkrad's out there I have not sold enough of them at these prices to cover my initial costs. I feel the Gurtsack would have a similar outcome.

To produce a fully functional Gurtsack I would have to have at least 75 guaranteed sales. If there are enough out there willing to pay the price I will make them. However these would be low on my list for production and it could be several months before I could make them.

The MG34 ammo belts are available at $19.95 each.

Here are pictures of the prototype Gurtsack. The cloth bag will be the correct blue/gray color. Error on the prototype to be corrected. Carrying strap to be attached at top to a slit in a protruding part of the metal band and not sewn to the cloth bag. At this time I am unsure of how to duplicate the cross embossed on the top of the metal lid. This may require cutting a special tool to stamp the cross in the lid. Something I will work on if there is enough interest.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:51 am
by Martin Cohen
Hi Mike,

I'd buy into these at $75 or $100 each. And while my Tiger will NEED one completed unit, I would buy a few if that helps get the ball rolling. These could be used for so many makes and models that I'd hope enough people would know so that you can make a go of it.

Alternatively, maybe you could charge a bit higher price along the lines of $100 completed for example, and then you would require orders for fewer units. Or maybe take orders on a contingency basis - $100 each to make a smaller number, or $75 is you sell what you originally planned?

Of course I'd be willing to wait - at least until the Cupola is done :roll:

Martin

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:22 pm
by Doug Pinkerton
Mike,

Please put me down for one of those sets. I've got the original MG mount from you already, so if the gurtsack mount can be added to your existing set, great. Otherwise, I'd take the sack and complete mount. I hope you find more takers. Certainly anybody with a late Tiger who wants the state-of-the-art in realism ought to be buying this from you, I would think.

Best regards,

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:21 am
by Alvin McCall
Add me to the list also Mike. I have your gun mount also.

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:47 pm
by jseverett
Mike,
My comments are the same as Doug's.
I am definately interested i nthe finished items.
Thanks, Jim