Tiger1 towing a recovered Tiger2

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:47 pm

Tiger towing Tiger

Try this one there is a bit more to it

Adrian Harris · Post by **Adrian Harris** » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:57 pm

Sideways, by the looks of it

Nicely aged video Phil.

Adrian.

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:05 am

This was a field test for Tiger1 gearbox which is superb and to check out the new Benedini Tiger1 sound card, the Tiger2 hybrid is still being built there's not much left to do, I was hoping to prove the running gear in the field yesterday but the (Russian) tracks are shite with the intermediate links breaking all the time I have ordered a new set of Armortek tracks from Gill, just need to pick them up the next time we are nr.
I must ad that the tracks that are failing are the old/early type from our eastern block friends and were never intended for the all up weight of the Armortek KT,The Tiger2 almost toppled over during the run down the atv ramps the left track failed and you an't got no brakes after that, all good fun though just need to put me underpants in the wash!

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:50 pm

I have a slightly better version

Kent Wiik · Post by **Kent Wiik** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:20 am

Nice one Phil, looks ww2 in its bw shape.

One thing and I know you want mind me saying so as I know you like accuracy.

The tow cables...
Experienced crews attached them diagonally in an X and not paralleled.
While towing on roads or at a longer distance when you needs to take curves this is a much better way as the towed tank will follow at the behind much better.

This can be seen in ww2 photos if you know vere to look.
Here are two examples (sorry blurry photos):

Also if you look at the well known photo from east of Villers Bocage when #222 is towing #231 the cable ends at #231 points inwards.

However towing in a straight line in order to get a hard bogged down tank up there are photos of parallel cables but then again, only while towing in a straight line.
(SPzAbt503 #332)

Also rotate the turret so the KwK point away from the towing tank (as the Fiebel says) is for obvious reasons to be recommended.

So friends, after this please no more parallel tow cables but then you can always blame the crewâ€™s lack of experienceâ€¦

Kind regards
Kent

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:48 pm

You are quite right mr kent, the crossed tow cables allowed for a constant and even pull especially when turning as the cross over would pivot, and when pulling a vehicle out the mud they would generally be parallel all good stuff hey, I have now repaired the KT tracks so will have some more footage soon that's if you guys want to see more?

phil fitzpatrick · Post by **phil fitzpatrick** » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:02 pm

Keep em coming
Love Em

Mike Stannard (toyrific) · Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:56 pm

Hi Phil and all

Towing cable should never be parallel under any circumstances as the slightest deviation will put all the weight on one cable. Crossed cables keeps the weight even on both cables. Just something I learned during my time in a Mechanized Battalion.

Regards
Mike

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:09 pm

Some more towing Tigers

Fabrice Le Roux · Post by **Fabrice Le Roux** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:08 pm

Phil, Kent and all,

A small additional detail to the crossed tow-cable set up.

It was (is) recommended ( "Bergen Von PzW", 1944) to put a U-bolt or clevis around both cables where they cross. This is to prevent, in tight turns, the slack cable from damage via scuffing, catching debris or being over-run by the track of the towed tank. The clevis must not clamp the cables and is free to slide around the layout.

A diagram also shows the combat stowage for the Tiger 1 cables which called for them to be unstowed from the "P" layout and crossed over the rear hull and hooked to the rear towing points. I suspect this preparation was often overlooked or ignored in practice.

cheers, Fabrice

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:45 am

Interesting info I will attempt to replicate that next time

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:09 am

Some very interesting Tiger1 footage that I have not seen before

Well I hope that the recent footage that we have shown you guys has inspired a rush to get out into the garden and film your models, if your garden and backdrop is not large and maybe not so convincing for film work just remember to keep the camera angle low and close and keep it real, nice and slow clean and precise manovers and watch those dollies they will give it away, I included some footage of "staff" but gererally prefer not to.
If you would like your footage processed by us (you would be surprised what can be used) please pm for details of what we would require from you and of course a price cheers Phil

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Not a Tiger but a Stuart, maybe the next Armortek subject?

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:23 pm

And more Stuarts footage

Nick Farrugia · Post by **Nick Farrugia** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:13 pm

hi phil
like the videos of the tiger and the stuart very well done.
good to see them
regards nick

Tiger1 towing a recovered Tiger2

Tiger1 towing a recovered Tiger2

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