Goliath Thread -- Who wants one?

[mark lawson]

Tim, Gerhard,

I remember the Leopard, it was work of art, the chap who built it went to great lengths to build an exact reproduction, the owner stated that the tracks were made using molten track links from a Leopard the same with the suspension arms, a lot of parts were welded using fine wire, at the time we seen the Leopard it was not finished.

I wonder if he ever found a buyer.

[Armortek]

Gents I think we already asked to keep the posts on topic.
If you want to talk about a scratch built Leopard please do it in the off topic section.
Kian

[Brian Ostlind]

I would rather see a 1/6 Maus or e100

[John Clarke]

Goliath was a lemon, as was the Borgward, operated by brave personal risking their lives for futile a Narcissistic personality disorder national cause.
Sadly there is a connection between Goliath and Leopard 1, both the end results would have been the same had they'd have gone into battle against the Russians Only the British MBT's were resilient enough against the 125mm.

The question should be, is the Goliath that popular? a 1:1 model with a wired remote needing 50 customers?

[Robert Tanzer]

I have to say No on the Goliath.
Will wait for a new release of the JagdPanther.
Robert from Sweden

[Adrian Harris]

The Goliath isn't something I would buy.

Adrian

[Stephen White]

Ultimately, these are decisions for Kian and Monique about what will sell. Which is a pity in some respects for we customers who may have a particular wish, which could be based on entirely personal grounds, maybe size or some personal connection or rarity value. Sadly none of these really cut it. My preferences for example are based on factors which are quite personal to me: in my professional judgement, was the original subject operationally effective (no lemons or duds here), are there any single examples with an interesting operational record and did I have any personal connection with the original?

For me, the Goliath would fail on all three critieria, as would the Maus and E100. They were operationally useless, there are no interesting operational uses and I’ve absolutely no connection with them. But then I’m only one voice. The FAMO succeeded in the end by those who wanted it demonstrating their was a market for it. I don’t see that for Goliath.

[Tim Page]

I have to agree with you Stephen.
As far as a model tank is concerned it is pretty boring and the majority of existing Armortek owners would not be interested.
However, as a re-enactor who has an interest in such things i would like to own one to be operated at events to demonstrate how it worked.

I was not really expecting it to be considered at all and am grateful for the interest.

Cheers
Tim

[Gerhard Michel]

IMHO the Goliath in 1/6 scale would be a tiny model with some difficulties to make it mobile and remote controllabe. My accent lies upon the mobility of a model and the ability to move over all kinds of surface. Usually a big model like a Tiger up to a mouse or an E100 is more suitable for that than a small model like a Kettenkrad or a Goliath. I like video clips showing my models penetrating a real scrub or 'chop down' a man-high tree. Unfortunately these are non-AT models, so I relinquish to show pics and clips here. My AT Jagdpanther was inoperable for a long time, due to the steel track links; now its lead acid batteries are dead and will be replaced by LiFe cells in future. Therefore I have no pics and clips with it.

On the other hand a very big model is also very heavy and needs special methods for building and transport. These are 'natural limits' for my kind of modelling.

A third point may be the rareness of an original or a model. Therefore I decided to build my Jagdtiger a long time before Armortek offered one. In the same way I would like an E100, a Löwe or a Zecke, but in fact I can't store more than 5 models in my small warroom.......

A VERY special point is my attempt to own also a model made by 'smaller' manufacturers, e.g. Nils Hermann or Spearhead. Both don't build such models anymore.

[Adrian Harris]

IMHO the Goliath in 1/6 scale would be a tiny model with some difficulties to make it mobile and remote controllabe.

The newsletter mentioned a 1:1 Goliath:

"One of the requests we did get which did not sound unreasonable was for a 1:1 sized Goliath (Sd.Kfz. 302/303a/303b). This would not be much bigger than a 1:6 scale tank, so we could look into it. If you are interested, then start a thread on the forum and if there is enough interest, we can look into it. "

Adrian.

[Jerry Carducci]

A friend in Germany made a functional 1/10 scale Goliath perhaps 20 years ago. I was fascinated in his handiwork. I had his
construction article on my own website for years.

There is an organization in Poland (http://www.br-tzip.pl/) which I believe has already made a 1:1 scale replica of the Goliath. Not certain if they do
or still sell them but it might be something to consider when deciding to bring another into production.

http://ww2live.com/en/content/world-war ... mages-even.

I'd prefer a 1/6 scale version if it were to be seriously considered but I also know there is a static metal version in that scale out of China.

Jerry

[Tim Page]

A 1/6 scale Goliath would be pretty small - about the size of a 1/16 tank at a guess.
Ive seen 3d print files for them in various scales but a 1:1 working version in metal interests me.
Id say it would be fairly straight forward to build once you have the sprockets and track links figured out.
The original track links were pressed and welded.

Tim

[Gerhard Michel]

Hi Adrian,

oh sorry, I didn't realize that. Okay, we discussed the original, but I didn't recognize that this size was the goal.

But a full scale Goliath would be a 'Goliath' under the 1/6 Scale models and wouldn't meet all others. Well, there existed also a radio controlled Goliath, but where should such an 'original' be committed? Okay, in a military show; perhaps.......

[Phil Woollard]

If Armortek want to build one as a publicity stunt, I will supply the charge, the range target Tiger 1 and the range to safely explode it!
I will film it and edit it in slow motion for all to see!

[Stephen White]

Nice one Phil, sort of grown up Walt Disney?