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Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

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davidwilkins
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

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Hi Phil,

Great build, thanks for taking the time to show how you go about to start a build I have already picked a few tips that will help when I start my panther A build.

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More progress although as the parts become smaller and require more work things seem to slow down some what.
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My etch primmer fume extraction system. this has a 1hp motor and sucks like a MP.
My etch primmer fume extraction system. this has a 1hp motor and sucks like a MP.
Don't know what this photo is all about, maybe my new phone is possessed!
Don't know what this photo is all about, maybe my new phone is possessed!
The last of the wheels detailed and assembled, this is the face you can't see.
The last of the wheels detailed and assembled, this is the face you can't see.
About an hour on each sprocket to remove the tooling marks with the burr
About an hour on each sprocket to remove the tooling marks with the burr
About half way through the cleaning up process
About half way through the cleaning up process
Tooling marks all smoothed off but leaving a cast texture, just need to add the casting part ID lettering. I shall leave the lathe tool groove just the same as the 1/1 would have as the sprocket was centred on the full size lathe
Tooling marks all smoothed off but leaving a cast texture, just need to add the casting part ID lettering. I shall leave the lathe tool groove just the same as the 1/1 would have as the sprocket was centred on the full size lathe
Removing the tooling marks. Tip of the day, prime the piece with the grey as this shows every imperfection, then cut then prime until your happy.
Removing the tooling marks. Tip of the day, prime the piece with the grey as this shows every imperfection, then cut then prime until your happy.
All the wheels complete
All the wheels complete
Probably never to be seen but done anyway.
Probably never to be seen but done anyway.
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Love it Phil! Pure Tiger porn... :lol:
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A little more done.
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The fixings for the inner sprocket tooth ring are just not long enough so I have used the next size available and will have to grind them back as they are now to long (better to long than to short). The sprocket ring thickness seem to be within .75mm difference so I selected the narrowest for the inner position.
The fixings for the inner sprocket tooth ring are just not long enough so I have used the next size available and will have to grind them back as they are now to long (better to long than to short). The sprocket ring thickness seem to be within .75mm difference so I selected the narrowest for the inner position.
After test fitting the sprocket it was found that the inner surface of the sprocket hub required some light machining so the sprocket could be aligned correctly on the final drive gear shaft. The other sprocket required no adjustment. Thanks to Kian to agreeing to remedy the sprocket problem but I decided to machine myself.
After test fitting the sprocket it was found that the inner surface of the sprocket hub required some light machining so the sprocket could be aligned correctly on the final drive gear shaft. The other sprocket required no adjustment. Thanks to Kian to agreeing to remedy the sprocket problem but I decided to machine myself.
The position of the track and track horns must fall equidistant between the inner road wheels. I will explain my method of centralising the sprocket in further posts, this must be correct to have smooth running of the tracks.
The position of the track and track horns must fall equidistant between the inner road wheels. I will explain my method of centralising the sprocket in further posts, this must be correct to have smooth running of the tracks.
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Had the same issue with the sprocket bolts. Used M2.5 X 10 instead which were perfect. Like you I also had to machine one of the sprockets inner tapered hub. Although I was offered to send it back I machined it myself with the help of a drawing that Kian sent me.

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Hi Vince, I'm still working on those sprockets this morning then off out this afternoon on my Harley, just got to get the wind in my hair! . Sounds like yours will be a perfect runner with all this attention to getting the engineering just so but it's very satisfying 8)
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Yes Phil, it is satisfying giving the model the personal touch and it gives me also an excuse to continue using my tools before they get jealous of inattention.

Enjoy the good weather today on your bike before it gets worse tomorrow.

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Just a quick update from yesterday.
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The finished sprocket and idler positions, I won't worry about the hub caps for now as they will just get in the way.
The finished sprocket and idler positions, I won't worry about the hub caps for now as they will just get in the way.
Nice.
Nice.
A tip, use pliers to just start the bend on the lock tabs before you bolt into place, then when the nut is central and tight you can easily fold the tabs neatly up with smooth flat jaw pliers
A tip, use pliers to just start the bend on the lock tabs before you bolt into place, then when the nut is central and tight you can easily fold the tabs neatly up with smooth flat jaw pliers
A tip, don't force the taper lock, after de ragging the sprocket the taper lock should fit snugly in the taper, if you hammer it home you could crack the piece as it is brittle cast iron. The gub screws will pull it all up tight and evenly. Do remove the taper lock when you paint, this keeps it looking smart and professional.
A tip, don't force the taper lock, after de ragging the sprocket the taper lock should fit snugly in the taper, if you hammer it home you could crack the piece as it is brittle cast iron. The gub screws will pull it all up tight and evenly. Do remove the taper lock when you paint, this keeps it looking smart and professional.
A very simple but effective way to check the wheel and idler alignment, this side is way out but it turns out that the inner idler bearing recess needed some dressing to get the bearing to seat all the way home.
A very simple but effective way to check the wheel and idler alignment, this side is way out but it turns out that the inner idler bearing recess needed some dressing to get the bearing to seat all the way home.
This side the alignment was pretty good.
This side the alignment was pretty good.
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Thanks Phil for all those useful tips. Please keep them coming. They are the sort of information that people like me who are newbie Armortek builders need.
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

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Hey Phil,
Did you chamfer/champher the teeth on the sprocket ring as stated on page 15 of the manual?
Thanks for your great insight on your build!
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Not yet Larry, I want to see how it runs first. I do have another quicker method of taking the edges off the teeth. My pleasure with the insight and hope the tips help. 8)
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I will be interested in seeing how you speed up the chamfering process!
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Re: Late Tiger 1 commission build by Phil Woollard

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Phil

Loving this build! Can you tell me where you get your lettering and what sizes do you use? Really looking forward to seeing more on this build.

Many Thanks Allan
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Hi Allan Ebay, Slaters Plastikard, I have a stock of different sizes but tend to use what looks best, sometimes as with these sprockets just a tad bigger than is correct otherwise they would be lost!
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Allan, I did a post on this a few days ago:

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