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Re: Real or fake

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Sorry to differ, Phil but in thirty years in the Army, I've never heard the expression "bomb up" used in relation to small arms. Magazines on small arms are "charged". "Bombing up" is an expression used almost exclusively by tank crews to describe the process of stowing (as opposed to loading) main armament ammunition into the tank. The ammunition is often referred to as the "bomb load". I don't know the derivation but speculate that there might be some cross-over with aircraft usage.

In David Render's wonderful book Tank Action, in which he describes his experiences as a tank commander in WW2, he quotes:

" The rain was still falling after we reached the leaguer long after dark. We were dog tired, cold, wet and hungry but we still had to complete the lengthy process of refueling, replenishing with rations and water and bombing up each of the tanks."

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As I said generally :) but im not a Tankie, the last time i was on a small arms range (within a year) all the staff were using the term "bomb up guys" as it sounds cool i suppose.
Anyway down to business.
The first pic of your Tiger1 Mark as you said shes not finished but i can only tell you what i see.

The light ie the sun is to bright.
The target subject is to far away.
The background is not working.
The foreground is not interesting.
The Tiger looks to fresh and clean (she needed some weathering).
The barrel is a tad high.
The tracks look plastic, due to one colour paint thats new and inanimate.
It looks all to quiet if that makes sense.(not enough going on for such a big shot).
The Sherman in factory fresh drab lets the scene down.
Little things like painting the exhaust a different shade on one side ( which I think you have done), a wheel another shade to.
Other than that its good !

The second pic of the Tiger from the rear 3/4 view is much more believable.
Nice background.
Its bright but it all seams more photogenic from this angle.
The tracks look much better.( the tension is looking better as the sprocket is pulling a little i think)
The barrel elevasion looks better.
The whole scene has a more believable vibe to it.
Im not so keen on the overall colour or shade of yellow, but in black and white its cool.
Now what do you think ? Remember its only my humble opinion.... Regards Phil.
With the editing I think we have produced a more realistic photo
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Adrian Harris wrote:
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Hi Adrian, thanks
I think it looks a tad better now !

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Phil Woollard wrote:Well Bryan I think the colour photos are very good indeed , when I get a mo I will have a play around .Adrian has done a good job in black and white .....nice Tiger that ! Good crew pose too, they just need to be looking at the camera, the second photo is a lost cause I'm afraid ,although it's a nice clean clear crisp photo with excellent light a big sky and a very good looking Tiger ( although i would like to see that muzzel after all thats what the whole story is about ...hauling that 88mm around ) the subject capture point of the vehicle is not good as you have dissected the best bits in two important places.... but let's see what we can salvage. Phil

Hi Phil, thanks the black and white one really makes the tank look a bit battle hardened in my view which is really nice, the closer shot is good also with the sharpness you got there, brings out the zimm

Cheers fae the Jock :D :D

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Glad you appreciate the work, have you heard..we gotta wear black arm bands now as Gill and Mark are leaving us to live in the sun :( cheers Phil
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Stephen White wrote:Sorry to differ, Phil but in thirty years in the Army, I've never heard the expression "bomb up" used in relation to small arms. Magazines on small arms are "charged". "Bombing up" is an expression used almost exclusively by tank crews to describe the process of stowing (as opposed to loading) main armament ammunition into the tank.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
As ex-REME ( a large amount of time spent attached to Cavalry regiments ), we took a lot of terms and expressions from units we were with to our next posting. Although I never heard the term "bombing up" referring to the act of filling a magazine, I heard it quite often on a small arms range and infantry type exercise referring to the act of loading oneself with the requirements for the forthcoming action, ie magazines, GPMG belts, grenades, pyros.

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Lets use the term for everything to do with "wizbangs" (an RA favourite). :D and no Im not one of those guys that need the volume turned right up either lol
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A simple mashup :)

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Excellent Maarten....very evocative... thanks for that take, the images on this thread are becoming way cool, you carry on I love it cheers Phil
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Post by Gerhard Michel »

Hello Maarten,

a very nice addition to my Jagdtiger. Thank you!

But I think for those pics my 'trademark' (the yellow bucket with its green leaves) is somehow disturbing................

These buckets originally were not an accessory for a tank model but a decoration for the shop windows of a crashing wool shop! :roll:
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Halo Gerhard. There are several real pictures known of panzers with buckets, like these...

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Hello Maarten,

yes, of cource there were buckets attached on several tanks, but I think there was absolutely none in yellow with green leaves....... :mrgreen:
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No problem in a black and white picture :D I added some extra grey and motion blur to suggest 'faster movement'

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Phil I think the editing you did is great, I like the results.
Your humble opinion - I really appreciate your opinion as the pictures you post of your work is excellent(very well staged and thought out) and it can only help me to take better pictures.
The shade of yellow I used is Tamiya XF-60 dark yellow.
Thanks for starting this thread.

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A simple mashup :)[/quote]
I really like that Maarten - very clever. I can imagine that image on some WW2 tank site with endless discussion on what the markings on the bucket meant :D

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