APG Progress

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:16 am

Thought Id post some good news for those not forunate enough to be able to visit Aberdeen Proving Grounds.
They have been doing god stuff up there, not a lot but something is better than nothing.

Tim Bowman · Post by **Tim Bowman** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:50 am

Roland

Thanks so much for posting the photos. Definitely on my list of places to visit. I'm glad to see they are taking care of some of the outdoor collection.

regards

Tim

willie leonard · Post by **willie leonard** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:56 am

Hey Roland, Thanks for the pics.Hopefully,someday they will restore all there vehicles,preferably the jadgpanther next.

Carlos Vollenweider · Post by **Carlos Vollenweider** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:28 am

Hello Roland,

Thank you so much for the excellent photos. What is the American machine just before the Ferdinand? My mother worked at Aberdeen as a co-op in the 40's. I think it will be my next destination ahead of Fort Knox.
The Pz III with the ace of spades is way too cool. Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Birt

Derek Attree · Post by **Derek Attree** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:57 am

Rowland

Cool pictures .

Carlos - I think thats a Pz 4.

Derek.

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:46 pm

Derek
That is an M-6 at 57.5 tons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_Heavy_Tank

The Ferdinand is an Elephant, Captured at Anzio.The only one left in the world. The one in Russia they said is really a Ferdinand.
I wish they would get to work on the Jagtiger and at least one of the Panthers.

Derek Attree · Post by **Derek Attree** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:07 pm

Rowland
I was refering to the german tank with the ace of spades that Carlos mentioned in the second part of his post it is not a PZ III but a Pz IV

Derek

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:51 pm

Derek Attree wrote:Rowland
I was refering to the german tank with the ace of spades that Carlos mentioned in the second part of his post it is not a PZ III but a Pz IV

Derek

Yes I know Derek, that was my mistake, I ment to address that to Carlos.

Mike Kasputis · Post by **Mike Kasputis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:02 pm

You forgot one. They put a Stuart inside the museum.
[img][img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/ ... stuart.jpg[/img][/img]

And how fast things can change, the Pz IV F2 left yesterday for Fort Knox. I went to APG today to get some pictures for a Marder III M I am working on and noticed the F2 was missing. Looks like it put up a fight by the looks of the ground.
[img][img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d189/ ... PzIVF2.jpg[/img][/img]

Robert E Morey · Post by **Robert E Morey** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:12 am

Roland,
Thanks for the great photos! Good to see they are using psudo authentic colors for a change. Beats letting them completely rust away. I agree the Panthers are in sad shape and need at least a coat of paint.

The Fer-dee-nand actually looks pretty darn good in those colors!

Glad we never adopted the T-6 into service! Lots of flat side plates that scream "Target"

All Cool stuff.
Bob

Carlos Vollenweider · Post by **Carlos Vollenweider** » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:06 am

Hi Roland,

Thanks for explaining about the M6 and for setting me straight on the Elefant. My back to the books exercise indicates that after Operation Zitadelle (Kursk) the Ferdinand was modified with a hull MG (primarily) and renamed.
Thank you Derek for the correction on the PzKpfw IV. I previously thought the difference between the III and the IV was an evolution from the short barreled 75mm L24 to the long L48 and the late model SchÃ¼rzen and Zimmermit. Oh well. My education continues.
You're right Robert, the M6 was a dog. It's still a shame to see the last surviving variant out there exposed, without his tracks.

Best Regards,

Birt

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:05 pm

Mike Kasputis wrote:You forgot one. They put a Stuart inside the museum.

And how fast things can change, the Pz IV F2 left yesterday for Fort Knox. I went to APG today to get some pictures for a Marder III M I am working on and noticed the F2 was missing. Looks like it put up a fight by the looks of the ground.

Thats not good, Ft Knox is stealing our tanks. I wouldnt mind but its a long ride from here to there.

I also noticed General Pershings car was no longer inside. Wonder where it went to.

Mike Kasputis · Post by **Mike Kasputis** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:00 am

Found out more on the Pz IV, it was traded to the Patton Museum for a Dodge maintenance truck. It will have a cosmetic restoration and then be displayed inside the museum.
Here is a link to the Patton museum showing it's arrival
http://www.armorfortheages.com/PzIVarrivalpage.htm

Roland Wallick · Post by **Roland Wallick** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:46 pm

Mike Kasputis wrote:Found out more on the Pz IV, it was traded to the Patton Museum for a Dodge maintenance truck. It will have a cosmetic restoration and then be displayed inside the museum.
Here is a link to the Patton museum showing it's arrival
http://www.armorfortheages.com/PzIVarrivalpage.htm

Good pics Mike.
Could you imagine that going down the freeway between here and there. Must have been quite a treat for those drivers who knew what it was and had never been to APG or Ft Knox.