Hello,
Is there anyone who has any drawings or pictures of the radio installation in the turret of a befehlstiger 1? Almost impossible subject but with the experts on this forum....
/Mikael
Radio placement in Befehlstiger 1
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Mikael Hörner
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Re: Radio placement in Befehlstiger 1
Hi Mikael,
the radios where mounted on the gear in the "Wanne", between driver and radio operator.
As far as I know also in the command version.
the radios where mounted on the gear in the "Wanne", between driver and radio operator.
As far as I know also in the command version.
Have fun building, Kind regards
Christian
Christian
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Mikael Hörner
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Re: Radio placement in Befehlstiger 1
Hi!
Thank you, but I am asking about the placement in the turret, not the hull...
/Mikael
Thank you, but I am asking about the placement in the turret, not the hull...
/Mikael
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Fabrice Le Roux
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Re: Radio placement in Befehlstiger 1
Mikael,
There is a photo of the Fu5 radio mounting for a Befehlspanther here:
http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/N ... tings.html
it is entirely plausible that the fitting would be similar for the Tiger 1. However it seems the kit was suspended from the roof, see below "Seating Positions". But photos are like Unicorn poo!
Following, is transcript from Turret Handbook D 656/22 for Tiger Ausf.E (Sd Kfz 181)
In 1943 Tiger "A" was standard Tiger E except for internal modifications and the 88gun ,a Kw K L 56. About 84 command Tigers rolled off production line. Both Command Tigers I A Sdkfz 267and Sdkfz 268, had following parts removed :
01) 1 Mantlet Mg.34 with all relevant fittings and mountings.
02) 1 Mg. toolbox and cradle.
03) 1 MG. accessory box and cradle.
04) 10 pouches of ammo for MG 34, containing 1500 rounds plus mounting brackets.
05) 26 rounds of 8.8 cm rounds for main gun.
06) 1 Loader's prismatic reflector/mirror.
07) 1 stowage bin to the right and in front of the gun loader.
This resulted in performance downgrading of Tiger, but was insignificant when compared to what command Tiger did. Such Tigers were either in Battalion or Company category. These tanks were in contact with either headquarters or Air support units. Such units would pass information to Command Tank ,who in turn, issued respective orders to lower formations, on UKW ( Ultra High Frequency) whose transmitters had an approximate range of 4 miles. In this way commander was also constantly in contct with other tank commanders.Command Tiger had radio equipment Fug 8 with a 40 miles range, which allowed contact with HQ.
Main objective was to keep steady flow of communication between command post, Luftwaffe and platoons. In most cases Luftwaffe coordinated Stuka attacks and then advised Command Tank of the scenario. At that time tanks would advance towards enemy position.
Sd Kfz 267 was fitted with Radio equipment Fug. 5 and Fug 8. (The abbreviation Fu in D656/22 reads as Fug).
Sd Kfz 268 was fitted with Radio equipment Fug. 5 and Fug 7.
Cleared space was replaced with following radio equipment :
01) Command Observation tank Intercom System .
02) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 5 ( 10 Watt Ultra Short Wave Transmitter and receiver) fitted in turret.
03) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 7 ( 20 Watt Ultra Short Wave Transmitter and receiver), respectively.
04) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 8 ( 30 Watt Medium Wave Transmitter and receiver) fitted in hull .
05) 1 mechanical kit GG 400.
06) 1 Radio accessory/spares kit.
07) 1 Aerial connecting lead with Rear Aerial "Star" D for 30 Watt System Fug 8.
08) 1 Rod aerial 1.4 m long for 20 Watt System Fug 7.
09) 1 Rod aerial 2.0 m long for 10 Watt System Fug 5.
10) 1 Bin for aerial rods. Bin is fitted outside at the rear.
Command Tiger E 267 had Fu.5 & Fu 8 (10 Watt transmitter ‘C’& UKW receiver ‘E’) fitted in turret. (Fug.8 a 30 Watt transmitter and MW receiver ‘C’) located in hull.
Command Tiger E 268 had Fu.5 & Fu.7 (10 Watt transmitter ‘C’ & Fu.7 20 Watt transmitter ‘D’ and UKW receiver ‘D1’ Fug or Fu is German abbreviation of Funk Gerät which means Radio Equipment.
“UKW”, MW” and “LW” mean Ultra Kurtz Welle, Mittel Welle und Lange Welle. Translated into English they mean: Ultra short wave, Medium wave & Long wave. Letters “E” stand for Empfänger (Receiver) &“S” for Sender (Transmitter).
Fug 5 10 Watt.S ‘c’ operated on 27.2-33.3 MgHz
Fug 7, a 20 Watt. S. ’d’ used as Ground to Air transmitter. Frequency 42-47 MgHz
Fug 8, a 30 Watt. S. ’a’ operated on 1,110-3010 Kc/s
Matching receivers to all three transmitters were UKW.E early model, and UKW.E ‘a’ later model
Aerials for the above transmitters;
Star” aerial ‘D’ for the 30 Watt (Fu8). Location: Right rear end of tank.
Rod aerial 1,4 m for the 20 Watt (Fu7). Location: Left rear end of tank.
Rod aerial 2 m for the 10 Watt (Fu5). Location: Right side close to the cupola.
Seating Positions
Radio Operator 2, whose normal position was in hull, had two radio systems fitted on rubber mountings. Added to his standard Fu5 transmitter and UKW receiver 'E', a second set was fitted - either Fu7 or Fu8 and located to the left of standard equipment. This change made Tiger E either Sd Kfz 267 or Sd Kfz 268. The 267 had Fu 5 and Fu 8 and the 268 had Fu5 and Fu 7 radios.
The second Fu5 and UKW E receiver, was attached to the turret's roof right side, where loader sat. MG34's space was replaced by another Fu.5 which was suspended on straps and rubber insulating mountings. Loader now had a secondary role as a radio operator 1.
It was not an easy task to calibrate and fine tune radio, when tank was on the move, pitching, rolling and bouncing. Radio operator 1, now gave tank commander more freedom to concentrate on "running the show".
As an example, I will briefly describe typical role of Command Tiger in air/ ground coordinated attack. The Luftwaffe's ground control armoured vehicle communicates with Stukas and coordinates their attack, on enemy target. Once the enemy position had been weakened (usually heavy anti tank gun positions), panzers rolled out for mopping up, or engaging secondary targets.
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hope this helps
cheers, Fabrice
There is a photo of the Fu5 radio mounting for a Befehlspanther here:
http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/N ... tings.html
it is entirely plausible that the fitting would be similar for the Tiger 1. However it seems the kit was suspended from the roof, see below "Seating Positions". But photos are like Unicorn poo!
Following, is transcript from Turret Handbook D 656/22 for Tiger Ausf.E (Sd Kfz 181)
In 1943 Tiger "A" was standard Tiger E except for internal modifications and the 88gun ,a Kw K L 56. About 84 command Tigers rolled off production line. Both Command Tigers I A Sdkfz 267and Sdkfz 268, had following parts removed :
01) 1 Mantlet Mg.34 with all relevant fittings and mountings.
02) 1 Mg. toolbox and cradle.
03) 1 MG. accessory box and cradle.
04) 10 pouches of ammo for MG 34, containing 1500 rounds plus mounting brackets.
05) 26 rounds of 8.8 cm rounds for main gun.
06) 1 Loader's prismatic reflector/mirror.
07) 1 stowage bin to the right and in front of the gun loader.
This resulted in performance downgrading of Tiger, but was insignificant when compared to what command Tiger did. Such Tigers were either in Battalion or Company category. These tanks were in contact with either headquarters or Air support units. Such units would pass information to Command Tank ,who in turn, issued respective orders to lower formations, on UKW ( Ultra High Frequency) whose transmitters had an approximate range of 4 miles. In this way commander was also constantly in contct with other tank commanders.Command Tiger had radio equipment Fug 8 with a 40 miles range, which allowed contact with HQ.
Main objective was to keep steady flow of communication between command post, Luftwaffe and platoons. In most cases Luftwaffe coordinated Stuka attacks and then advised Command Tank of the scenario. At that time tanks would advance towards enemy position.
Sd Kfz 267 was fitted with Radio equipment Fug. 5 and Fug 8. (The abbreviation Fu in D656/22 reads as Fug).
Sd Kfz 268 was fitted with Radio equipment Fug. 5 and Fug 7.
Cleared space was replaced with following radio equipment :
01) Command Observation tank Intercom System .
02) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 5 ( 10 Watt Ultra Short Wave Transmitter and receiver) fitted in turret.
03) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 7 ( 20 Watt Ultra Short Wave Transmitter and receiver), respectively.
04) 1 set of radio equipment Fug 8 ( 30 Watt Medium Wave Transmitter and receiver) fitted in hull .
05) 1 mechanical kit GG 400.
06) 1 Radio accessory/spares kit.
07) 1 Aerial connecting lead with Rear Aerial "Star" D for 30 Watt System Fug 8.
08) 1 Rod aerial 1.4 m long for 20 Watt System Fug 7.
09) 1 Rod aerial 2.0 m long for 10 Watt System Fug 5.
10) 1 Bin for aerial rods. Bin is fitted outside at the rear.
Command Tiger E 267 had Fu.5 & Fu 8 (10 Watt transmitter ‘C’& UKW receiver ‘E’) fitted in turret. (Fug.8 a 30 Watt transmitter and MW receiver ‘C’) located in hull.
Command Tiger E 268 had Fu.5 & Fu.7 (10 Watt transmitter ‘C’ & Fu.7 20 Watt transmitter ‘D’ and UKW receiver ‘D1’ Fug or Fu is German abbreviation of Funk Gerät which means Radio Equipment.
“UKW”, MW” and “LW” mean Ultra Kurtz Welle, Mittel Welle und Lange Welle. Translated into English they mean: Ultra short wave, Medium wave & Long wave. Letters “E” stand for Empfänger (Receiver) &“S” for Sender (Transmitter).
Fug 5 10 Watt.S ‘c’ operated on 27.2-33.3 MgHz
Fug 7, a 20 Watt. S. ’d’ used as Ground to Air transmitter. Frequency 42-47 MgHz
Fug 8, a 30 Watt. S. ’a’ operated on 1,110-3010 Kc/s
Matching receivers to all three transmitters were UKW.E early model, and UKW.E ‘a’ later model
Aerials for the above transmitters;
Star” aerial ‘D’ for the 30 Watt (Fu8). Location: Right rear end of tank.
Rod aerial 1,4 m for the 20 Watt (Fu7). Location: Left rear end of tank.
Rod aerial 2 m for the 10 Watt (Fu5). Location: Right side close to the cupola.
Seating Positions
Radio Operator 2, whose normal position was in hull, had two radio systems fitted on rubber mountings. Added to his standard Fu5 transmitter and UKW receiver 'E', a second set was fitted - either Fu7 or Fu8 and located to the left of standard equipment. This change made Tiger E either Sd Kfz 267 or Sd Kfz 268. The 267 had Fu 5 and Fu 8 and the 268 had Fu5 and Fu 7 radios.
The second Fu5 and UKW E receiver, was attached to the turret's roof right side, where loader sat. MG34's space was replaced by another Fu.5 which was suspended on straps and rubber insulating mountings. Loader now had a secondary role as a radio operator 1.
It was not an easy task to calibrate and fine tune radio, when tank was on the move, pitching, rolling and bouncing. Radio operator 1, now gave tank commander more freedom to concentrate on "running the show".
As an example, I will briefly describe typical role of Command Tiger in air/ ground coordinated attack. The Luftwaffe's ground control armoured vehicle communicates with Stukas and coordinates their attack, on enemy target. Once the enemy position had been weakened (usually heavy anti tank gun positions), panzers rolled out for mopping up, or engaging secondary targets.
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hope this helps
cheers, Fabrice
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Re: Radio placement in Befehlstiger 1
Mikael
Further to above, the Kubinka Tiger 1, Fgst.Nr.250427, is a vehicle that was converted back from Command to a Gun tank during the war. The Russians may surveyed/photographed the interior and this may show the smaller fittings/brackets still in place in the roof.
Long shot, but you could ask them.
cheers Fabrice
Further to above, the Kubinka Tiger 1, Fgst.Nr.250427, is a vehicle that was converted back from Command to a Gun tank during the war. The Russians may surveyed/photographed the interior and this may show the smaller fittings/brackets still in place in the roof.
Long shot, but you could ask them.cheers Fabrice