deck details & whether to Zimmerit

[Paul Morris]

Hi again Ivano.


Still impressed money waiting to place first order for three Tigers.
Cheers Paul.

[Ivano Costantini]

Hello friends of the forum.
I like the comparison, but that's the beauty of the modeling.
Hahahahahaha!
Here are photos of some parts of the engine 230 that i'm doing.
What do you think? Do you have suggestions?
Without the 230,which also serves for my mid,if there was interest could also make the 210. BY APPOINTMENT ARE AVAILABLE RADIATORS.FOR INFORMATION YOU CAN CONTACT ME.
ivano.costantini@alice.it As always sorry my english.

[John Grima]

I hate to have to bring this up in open forum but Ivano, Your engine block and other parts that is in your images looks to be a recasted version of the engine that you purchased from me. If you are making unauthorized copies for selling purposes there will be an issue, I hope that this is not the case.

[Ivano Costantini]

Hello John,how are you? I hope so!
Yes,it is true,i have bought you the top of the engine,but i did not
like and idecided to do it again.
My engine is different to 99,98% of your,(engine blok,cylinder heads,cover head cylinder,trasmission,carburetor,air filters,oil funnels and much,much more).
It is not my fault if the motor is like that!
Even the radiators are similar to yours. But i have not bought it copied from you!
It draws all designed and printed in 3D.
My work is completely different from yours.
I'm not a businessman,i'm just a little modeller.
I'm sorry but i do not understand where is the problem???!!!
I belive that this is good for all other modelers and for the forum.
I'd like to hear the opinion of others.
I hope you understand,thanks
Ciao! Ivano

[John Grima]

Ivano, your fans and magneto tower are not what in question, the part that caught my attention is the engine block manifold,

This is an image of a spare block I have on hand, note the integral casted sculpted manifold top,



These same details are unaltered and are present on your casting, what appears in your photo is that you took my 1/2 engine casting, added some more of the lower portion, hollowed out the rocker arm area and altered the side detailing. However, even though you made some changes to the parts does not give you rights to manufacture the parts for sale,



By offering these parts for sale, with out my permission or consent is piracy, and the word will spread.

Again if these parts are for your own personal use then there is absolutely no problem, however you did mention above that you were interested in listing these parts for sale.

[Ivano Costantini]

If the engine is like that because i had to do it differently?
It would be interesting to see the differences not one of the few similar details.
Again,mine is very different from yours.
Yours is definitely better.
There are many reproductions,in all scales,more beautiful and less beautiful and all are very similar and some details are equal.
But i do not understand where you're going,i'm in Italy,you are in the US. what do vou want? Engine i have not finished yet, if one day it is ready i will alert you,maybe you will give you one! For me the matter ends here, it wass still interesting.
Hello! Ivano

[John Grima]

Ivano, I will put this as simple as possible as I think that something is getting lost in translation,

Making modified copies of someone else's work and selling as yours is not good.

As for what I want, I want nothing, just don't sell anything that is recasted or modified from my parts. Thank you.

[Ivano Costantini]

Hello John,
i'm sorry if you're upset or offended.
In Europe there is a free market.
The comparison is commercial,
relationship quality/price ratio,service and more!
A sincere hug!
Ciao! Ivano

[simon fuller]

WHAT A W*N**R !

SF.

[Paul Morris]

This might look as though its going to be a hotly debated topic but I cant see that personal insults are the way to proceed .... nor should they be allowed!
Just my opinion.
Paul.

[Chris glover]

This might look as though its going to be a hotly debated topic but I cant see that personal insults are the way to proceed .... nor should they be allowed!
Just my opinion.
Paul.

+1

[Paul Wills]

I agree Paul. No one should jump to any conclusions until all the facts are known, especially on an open forum.

Paul.

[Dave Boller]

Hey Ivano. How about doing a different engine? There's no shortage of other possibilities out there for that. What about something for, say, the Panzer-4 or 3 chassis? No one else is doing that as far as I know. There's a lot of different tanks that could use them, even just within Armortek's product range. It's kinda pointless to be competeing against one another in so small a market nich, when all the other options aren't even covered. You've obviously got the talent, put it to good use where it's really needed within this hobby. It should even be more profitable that way. We really don't need another guy doing Tiger and Panther engines, let alone the animosity that goes along with it. The 1/6th World is too small for that. What say you?

[Iacopo Di Giampietro]

Hey Ivano. How about doing a different engine? There's no shortage of other possibilities out there for that. What about something for, say, the Panzer-4 or 3 chassis? No one else is doing that as far as I know. There's a lot of different tanks that could use them, even just within Armortek's product range. It's kinda pointless to be competeing against one another in so small a market nich, when all the other options aren't even covered. You've obviously got the talent, put it to good use where it's really needed within this hobby. It should even be more profitable that way. We really don't need another guy doing Tiger and Panther engines, let alone the animosity that goes along with it. The 1/6th World is too small for that. What say you?

Sorry if I might. Which of you would take (as a simple model maker) time and effort to accomplish something for a tank that does not have?
If Ivano owns a Tiger Armortek and manufactures components for the Tiger, spending hundreds of hours of their own time, I do not see how it could engage in a tank that holds even without that he even has a chance to make any reference.
It would have to report another thing: what are the tanks in demand, both new and used?
The Tiger I and then the Panther.
Each time you faced the discourse on the next tank to be realized by Armortek, users regularly often ask a reprint of a kit Tiger or a Panther ... not surprisingly, the Tiger tank is no longer present in any fair or event.
Or just look at the thread on the tiger in comparison with those devoted to other tanks.
I personally have been one of the few who took again the Panzer IV, or suggested that the exploitation of the hull of the Panzer IV (one of the most popular German tanks on all fronts of WWII) to achieve some other German tank as Stug IV, the Brummbär, or one Jagdpanzer ....

My two cents.
Ciao!

[Dave Boller]

Hi Iacopo. The translation is rather crude here, and I'm not quite sure about your point because of it. If you're suggesting that Ivano put alot of work into his product and should therefore be entitled to steal from someone else, I can't go along with that. Besides, how much work did he really do, when all he did was modify and build on someone else's work? How is that okay? It would be one thing if he did it entirely from scratch. Over the years, we've had alot of problems with that sort of thing in this hobby. We don't need more of it. But as I've said, there are plenty of other "needs" within this hobby that could, instead, be met by someone with those talents; items that aren't being built by anyone. The Panzer-4 engine, was just an in-the-moment example. Interior compoenants (not just engines) of all kinds could be done and aren't. How about Panther, Panzer or King Tiger gun breeches?, Transmissions? Turret baskets? The list goes on and on. It wouldn't even be limited to just Armortek vehicles. There's no need for product duplication and stepping on other people's toes in the process. Besides, such competition can't be very profitable in this rather small market niche. So what's the point? No one really benefits in the long run.