To much smoke

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:56 pm

Hi Phil

Na stick to the baby oil, its ace being rubbed down in it!!!

AND GOOD FOR THE SMOKERS TOO.

Richie Wiggytronics

phil fitzpatrick · Post by **phil fitzpatrick** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:43 pm

Hi Ritchie.
You mentioned to me that crimping the pipe in could help increase the
pressure.
Well I've just discovered that on the Comet when the Normandy cowls
were fitted,they still had a fishtail outlet on the inside,but turned upwards,
towards the mesh.
Confirmed with the Official Comet manual and the AFV Modeller article
issue 56.
So any Comet builder following this thread it is in order anyway if it works
better
Cheers
Phil

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:52 am

Hi Phil

Sounds the same set up like what's on my Sherman, works great too!!!

Richie

Robin Ellis · Post by **Robin Ellis** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:34 am

Ritchie,when you find a solution to this problem,I would be interested in buying from one from you.

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:27 pm

Hi Robin

What would be your ideal Smoker? as every one's different .

Richie

Robin Ellis · Post by **Robin Ellis** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:14 pm

Hi Ritchie, one that works with Thomas's system and produces smoke as soon as the 'engine ' is running,and upon starting gives quite a large amount of smoke, because as you know, the new version of the Bovvy tiger sound allows as many as you like of non start engine cranking sounds which should not produce smoke, or very little. It is a lot to ask for ,but if you crack this problem I'd certainly buy one. Best wishes .ROBIN.

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:26 pm

Hi Robin

Leave it with me, shouldnt be that hard to do.

Richie

Robin Ellis · Post by **Robin Ellis** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:29 pm

Thanks Ritchie, it is especially good that use use baby oil, for I am sure it is much cheaper than the Â£14 a bottle of Seuthe smoke oil that I am using at the moment! robine@talktalk.net

Marcel de Groene · Post by **Marcel de Groene** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:27 pm

Interesting topic guys, both in 1/6 as in 1/16th scale. I have been looking for a small smoker to put into my 1/16 Sherman and I came accross a smoker they use in the big scale railmodels. They suffer from the same problems we have, but these smokers are more sophisticated and some can be programmed. I have seen short movies were the golld old steam engine gets puffing away, blazing smoke in small puffs. If you can program these to give plenty of smoke when starting that will be the first step. I will look into it further and get you some links.

Ad Wouterse · Post by **Ad Wouterse** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:32 pm

Hi guys,

I guess this is the smokeunit Marcel is writing about http://www.shourtline.swl4.com/LGB_2085 ... _EBAY.html Scroll down the page.

And this is the manual http://www.shourtline.swl4.com/Massoth_ ... 0_0408.pdf

Interesting

Richie Wignall · Post by **Richie Wignall** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:30 pm

Hi Guys

Wow, I use to fit the Seuthe smoke units in my old HO/OO model Train layout when I was younger

they were very tricky to fit in the tight loco body's

but worked great, but as Robin said, oil is pricey

Ad

That is one very nice loco,

the nearest I got to that scale was a live steam, Hornby Rocket, a great model.

Richie

Adrian Harris · Post by **Adrian Harris** » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:06 pm

I believe Thomas;s oil based smoker uses these glass elements.

I tried setting up a peristaltic pump to push fluid through some of them, with the pump speed based on the tank speed. The problem I found was getting the balance between enough fluid to make decent smoke and too much causing the elements to cool down. In the end I gave up

I've been trying recently with high power 40mm fans on a standard Armortek smoker. The smoke output is good and quick but the noise is unbelievable

I think larger fans running slower will probably be better as you get the same or better cfm for much less dB.

Adrian.

Phil Woollard · Post by **Phil Woollard** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:10 am

An interesting example of a Panther with an engine that's not 100% keep an eye on the exhaust stacks as the load changes, the engine is kept ticking over at a very high rpm probably to ensure that it does not stop whilst preforming various manovers, if they are using the 1940's magnetos this is very often the only way to keep the bugger running.
Other things to note for future topics; checkout the way the vehicle rocks and lurches on pull away and gear changes I am attempting to replicate this with a large weight that can roll back and forth in the hull but thats for another topic also the track noise, Tamiya have this in their sounds I wonder if Thomas could ad some to his?

Robin Ellis · Post by **Robin Ellis** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:47 am

With Thomas's smoker I have found that it produces to much smoke, so for the last couple of years I have had one of the elements disconnected. It now runs on three elements! I also found the slightly over filling the reservoir improves the end result.

Adrian Harris · Post by **Adrian Harris** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:01 pm

The JagdPanther at the same event is almost smokeless, save one of the gear change overruns.

I wonder is the new Ultimate Panther will have a softer suspension to give the bucking effect. Maybe you need the old 4.5mm torsion bars and a greater initial angle of incidence ?

Re the track noise, the Sherman gives the best rattle and squeak noises of any of the kits, due to the high track tension required

Adrian.

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